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Vicar can't believe in God (Daughter was murdered in London 7/7 terror attack; Faith is battered)
The Sun (U.K.) ^ | March 7, 2006 | JOHN COLES

Posted on 03/07/2006 12:06:20 PM PST by Stoat

Vicar can't believe in God
Rev Julie Nicholson
Despair ... Rev Julie Nicholson has resigned
 
 
 

By JOHN COLES

 A VICAR whose daughter was killed in the 7/7 bombings has quit as she cannot forgive the Islamic terrorists who carried out the attacks.

The Rev Julie Nicholson has been unable to return to the pulpit since her 24-year-old daughter Jenny died on the Circle Line Tube train blown up at Edgware Road in London.

Now the 52-year-old has given up her post in the parish of St Aidan with St George, Bristol, because she cannot balance her faith with her feelings towards the bombers.


 

Jenny Nicholson
Jenny Nicholson ... died in terror blast
 

She says: “I rage that a human being could choose to take another human’s life. I rage that someone should do this is the name of a God. I am hugely offended that someone should take my daughter in the name of a religion or a God.

“I certainly don’t have any sense of compassion.

“Can I forgive them for what they did? No I cannot. And I don’t wish to.

“I say the name of my daughter’s murderer every day.

“I believe there are some things in life which are unforgiveable by the human spirit.”


 

Grief stricken ... tears at Jenny's funeral
Grief stricken ... tears at Jenny's funeral
 

She continues: “All my understanding of what it means to be a priest is peace, reconciliation and forgiveness.

“It is very difficult for me to stand behind an altar and celebrate the Eucharist, Communion and lead people in words of peace and reconciliation and forgiveness when I feel very far from that myself.

“I will leave potential forgiveness for whatever is after this life. I will leave that in God’s hands.”

Bishop of Bristol Mike Hill, a personal friend of Julie, says he understands how her faith has been tested.

He adds: “These situations in life shake the faith of everybody because they immediately bring into focus the ‘why’ question. Unfortunately, there is no simple Elastoplast answer to that question.”


 

Devastation ... scene of tube bombing
Devastation ... scene of tube bombing
 

Jenny was killed by suicide bomber Mohammed Sidique Khan, 30, as she made her way to work at a music publishing company.

Her last known phone call was to her dad Gregg from Paddington station minutes before the bombing.

The gifted singer and pianist had recently moved to Reading, Berks, with her boyfriend James White after completing a masters degree in music at Bristol University. Her mother and father, who works for BAE Systems, were on holiday in Anglesey, North Wales, at the time of the outrage.

Julie was too distraught to speak at her daughter’s funeral at Bristol Cathedral in August but the Rt Rev Hill made her anger clear.


 

Mohammed Sidique Khan
Terrorist ... Mohammed Sidique Khan
 

He told the 1,000 mourners: “There are few human words that can adequately express what we feel about people who indiscriminately carry out apparent acts of senseless violence against innocent civilian populations and, unbelievably, do so in the name of God.

“Such delusion, such evil is impossible for us to begin to comprehend.”

Julie, who has another daughter, Lizzie, 22, and a son Tom, 16, went on extended compassionate leave after Jenny’s death and has been unable to return to work.

Churchgoers are disappointed yet support her decision to quit.

Sales manager James Wray, 35, said: “When she arrived she had so much conviction and confidence.


 

St Aidan with St George church
No hope ... vicar left St Aidan with St George church
 

“Words cannot describe the hurt she and her family must have felt when they lost Jenny. She will always be in our thoughts and prayers and we hope Julie will come back to see us.

“She has a great many friends here.”

Rev Julie had taken up her job in 2004. She was previously a curate at St Mary’s in Henbury, Bristol, where Jenny was head chorister.

She is now taking up a role on a church-backed community youth project.

John Lloyd, spokesman for the Bishop of Bristol, said: “The Rev Julie Nicholson has indeed left the parish of St Aidan with St George.

“She will continue to work with a diocesan community youth project involving the arts.

“This new post will combine her theological and artistic ambitions — and it is a natural extension of her work in the Church.

“She was given extended leave of absence and received great support from the diocese but she decided this particular project is something she is keen to be involved in.”

Julie has been filming a religious programme for the BBC. The Easter special will feature people in similar circumstances to herself to see how they have coped with the bombings and how it has affected their faith.

Her comments were made in an interview with BBC Bristol for their Inside Out current affairs programme.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: christian; christianity; church; faith; islam; islamofascism; islamofascists; religion; terror; terrorism; terrorists
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To: Chi-townChief

I am reminded of a scene in the movie "The Patriot" with Mel Gibson. Gibson's eldest son in the movie is sent to recuit militia to hold back the British troops. After a moving speech in a local parish church, the vicar is asked by a surprised congregation member why the vicar is joining the men for the militia. His answer is something to the effect. 'No only do we have to protect the sheep, but sometimes we have to fight off the wolves.' I prayers go to this woman and her loss. I would be hard put to find fault.


41 posted on 03/07/2006 12:38:52 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Buy Danish!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I don't know why you're so uncompassionate about very real human doubt and frailty in the face of terrible grief.

Everyone will encounter the death of loved ones in their life. The death rate is 100%. This lady apparently pretended to have spiritual answers as a pastor, even as she lead funeral services. But now that a trial comes upon her, she dumps her faith and lets bitterness take over.

I've experienced equally tramatic experiences, so I wouldn't have a problem if she were just struggling with her faith and grief. However, she is now working on an Easter show to lead others to her faithlessness. She's joined the other side.

42 posted on 03/07/2006 12:40:20 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: Conservative4Ever

He mustn't have had a lot of faith to begin with.


43 posted on 03/07/2006 12:40:50 PM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides & they've sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
"Forgive me that, given the screen name you chose, I find it ironic to the point of tragic comedy that you mock the most essential truth of life."

You are brainwashed, my friend.

44 posted on 03/07/2006 12:41:06 PM PST by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: Stoat
Terror survivor helps others
45 posted on 03/07/2006 12:41:12 PM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 39-43)
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To: siunevada; Vicomte13
“I will leave potential forgiveness for whatever is after this life. I will leave that in God’s hands.”

she does not believe in the God of the bible with a statement like that.

sounds like she thinks all roads lead to heaven...

46 posted on 03/07/2006 12:41:46 PM PST by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: siunevada
Despite the headline, I fail to see that they have quoted her as saying she no longer believes in God.

I looked for that as well, and did not find it. It appears that her conflict comes from her inability to forgive the murderer.

47 posted on 03/07/2006 12:43:19 PM PST by Bahbah (An admitted Snow Flake and a member of Sam's Club)
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic

I don't agree with your assessment.

She's saying she's leaving it in the hands of God.


48 posted on 03/07/2006 12:45:36 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Integrityrocks
Funny.... I don't remember Jesus saying to the good thief while hanging on the cross: "Unless you are born again, you will not be with me this day in paradise." Seems to me, the only thing the thief professed was his own guilt and the innocense of Jesus." But, I guess he doesn't count.

The New Covenant (the one of Grace and Faith) didn't begin until Jesus had risen again. When He died, He took all our sins upon Himself (Mercy in that he was dieing so wouldn't have to). When He arose, it was the signal that His sacrifice was indeed perfect enough to be acceptable payment for our sins and it signified the return of the Spirit of life that Adam and Eve had taken away from them when they disobeyed God in the Garden (Grace). Before He was crucified, Jesus was given authority over the Earth and all of us (He was granted the full power of God to use as He would, which makes His sacrifice even sweeter because He could have stopped it with a thought) and His first act was to wrap a towel around His waist and wash the Apostles' feet. Being granted the power of God, it was His prerogative to grant the thief the Kingdom of Heaven for merely admitting and repenting his sins.

God Bless

49 posted on 03/07/2006 12:45:43 PM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Integrityrocks

Funny.... I don't remember Jesus saying to the good thief while hanging on the cross: "Unless you are born again, you will not be with me this day in paradise."


Christ was still in this form at the time,no one could be born again ,yet,,,they could believe in Him..The man knew who Christ was,is and always will be.

There is no such thing as a good thief.


50 posted on 03/07/2006 12:45:45 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: Vicomte13; All
I didn't see where she said she didn't believe in God

I didn't either, and that's why I added the additional words to the title that I did, in an attempt to "temper" people's expectations.  What I got from the article was that her Faith has been severely battered, hence those were the words I chose.

Free Republic posting guidelines require us to use the original title.

That being said, I feel that the issue with the title is a small point in relation to the article in it's entirety....I found it to be a compelling story that made me feel terribly sad and it rekindled my anger toward the Islamofasicsts.  I wanted to hear other FReepers' perspectives on faith and forgiveness in that it might help me to come to terms with the sadness that I feel..

My hope is that readers might be able to get beyond this one complaint, which has been mentioned several times now, and consider the greater substance of the article.

51 posted on 03/07/2006 12:46:48 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: aimhigh
But now that a trial comes upon her, she dumps her faith and lets bitterness take over.

She didn't dump her faith, she just doesn't feel she has the strength to preach right now and has stepped down from that role. Did anyone else read the article? She's still active in the church in another capacity. Oh that all pastors and priests who find themselves weaker than the image they project would admit it and step down until they can honestly fill the role. Her honesty and integrity should be praised, not mocked. Her grief should inspire compassion, not derision.

52 posted on 03/07/2006 12:47:48 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Stoat

Sad, we can pray for her and hope she will find the light again.


53 posted on 03/07/2006 12:49:20 PM PST by CAP811 (One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place)
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To: Dreagon

Disneyfied version of Christianity...!!!


You got that right...Turn the other cheek doesn't mean stand by watching your family get murdered,all the while forgiving the perp...


54 posted on 03/07/2006 12:49:23 PM PST by silentreignofheroes (When the Last Two Prophets are taken there will be no Tommorrow!)
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To: null and void

The worst insult to god is to kill innocent ones created by that god.


55 posted on 03/07/2006 12:49:58 PM PST by alrea
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To: Chi-townChief

Corrie ten Boom wrote that she struggled to forgive the Nazis and all Germans, and she avoided traveling to Germany for many years. She finally couldn't avoid the prompting to go there, and a guard she remembered from one of the camps she was in greeted her after her speech and told he he had become a born again Christian. She wrote that at that moment, she perceived in herself sort of a supernatural ability to forgive the man for his part in tormenting her and her family.

Forgiving someone isn't the same as saying that what they did was okay or should be without consequence before the secular authorities.


56 posted on 03/07/2006 12:50:59 PM PST by Cecily
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To: Stoat

My own personal view?

Well, I am a limited man.
I try to forgive people for bad things they do, and I am generally capable of it if they are truly remorseful. For killing somebody I expect sobbing remorse and to have to put the killer under a suicide watch once he understands what he's done.

But a cold-blooded murder like the bombings, for religious reason, without the perp sobbing in remorse and renoucing the beliefs that put him there? I want to give him the death penalty, and I will leave the forgiveness to God. I seem to recall Jesus forgiving sins after an acknowledgment of moral guilt. Maybe he did go around and forgive sins even without that, and maybe he does. But then, he's God, so he knows the answers, knows it's all true, controls the outcome. Me? All I can do is have faith. My faith isn't shaken by acts of violence, but my anger is greatly stirred, and I do not feel any desire, or even Christian necessity, to forgive the unrepentant violent killer.
If Sadiqqi al-Jackassi or whatever the hell his name was were remorseful and renounced his belief in violence, I'd have a different view. But as it is, if I were King I would have him blown up.


57 posted on 03/07/2006 12:52:33 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: alrea
The worst insult to god is to kill innocent ones created by that god.

islam seems to treat that as a sacrament.

58 posted on 03/07/2006 12:55:51 PM PST by null and void (I nominate Sept 11th: "National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval". - Mr. Rational, paraphrased)
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To: Stoat
Misleading headline!!

Her sorrow and pain must be tremendous!

One must remember, also, that inasmuch as God gave up his own Son, He understands her deep hurt.

59 posted on 03/07/2006 1:04:53 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: loveliberty2
Misleading headline!!

Please see post #51.

60 posted on 03/07/2006 1:07:01 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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