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What Is the Value of Algebra?
The Washington Post ^ | February 16, 2006 | Richard Cohen

Posted on 03/07/2006 10:12:59 AM PST by RBroadfoot

None, according to Richard Cohen of the Washington Post.

EXCERPT: I am haunted by Gabriela Ocampo. ... failing algebra six times in six semesters, trying it a seventh time and finally just despairing over ever getting it.

The L.A. school district now requires all students to pass a year of algebra ...

Here's the thing, Gabriela: You will never need to know algebra. I have never once used it and never once even rued that I could not use it. ...

Gabriela, sooner or later someone's going to tell you that algebra teaches reasoning. This is a lie propagated by, among others, algebra teachers. Writing is the highest form of reasoning. This is a fact. Algebra is not. The proof of this, Gabriela, is all the people in my high school who were whizzes at math but did not know a thing about history and could not write a readable English sentence. ...

Algebra ruined many a day for me. Now it could ruin your life.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: education; matheducation
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To: Political Junkie Too

He can do subtraction.


361 posted on 03/07/2006 12:31:50 PM PST by DragonflyX
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To: xsmommy

I prefer Cow-Pi!


362 posted on 03/07/2006 12:31:53 PM PST by Doc Savage (Of all these things you can be sure, only love...will endure.......................)
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To: Beagle8U
Another freeper corrected me already
on post 121


I accepted his correction
on post 186

363 posted on 03/07/2006 12:31:57 PM PST by george wythe
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To: Red Badger

Though not an algebraic mistake, it would be a [19]67 [Delmont] Oldsmobile...


364 posted on 03/07/2006 12:32:22 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: RBroadfoot

Just a few examples of genuine algebra that I've used in recent years (and I'm a very slow learner at math type concepts).


-- I have to calculate how many gallons of paint I'll use per week in an industry setting, based on varying units of product to be painted. I also need to calculate how many hours a job will take using the same data. If I couldn't reliably do this (and many people can't), then someone else would be the supervisor and he/she would be getting paid supervisor's wages instead of me.



-- I formulate my own recipes for brewing beer and I often scale quantities up or down, or convert from one unit measurement to another. Anyone who cooks creatively from recipes needs algebra for this reason.



-- As a part time musician who needs to be frugal with band money, I've built my instrument and PA speaker cabinets by hand and done the wiring myself. Knowing the importance of matching components (an electrical engineer warned me years ago), I learned the basics of wiring from books and I algebraically solve the additive inverse law of speakers wired in parallel to run wiring.

I watched a friend of mine in another band I was hanging out with destroy a new $500 amplifier after he rewired his multiple speaker cabinets into a new configuration and decided he didn't need to go through the trouble of doing any algebra. He told me I shouldn't "patronize" him by repeatedly telling him I thought his speaker resistance was obviously too low (I guessed about 1.7 ohms). It took about 40 minutes of playing for his amp to catch on fire, but about a week's wages to replace it.





My parents insisted upon my taking and learning as much math as I could get through in high school, as difficult as it was for me, and I managed to eventually make it through 2 semesters of college calculus. I rarely experience a day that I don't use algebra, trigonometry, geometry or calculus at least once.


365 posted on 03/07/2006 12:34:38 PM PST by spinestein (Beware the Democrat's culture of fear and hate.)
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To: SeƱor Zorro

"For most people, Algebra will have no relevance."

A dubious assertion unless you think most people are going to be losers anyway. Certainly everyone should be familiar with the following equation in one form or another:

FV = PV*(1+r)^t

Absent any understanding of algebra, a person cannot understand just how important r and t are to obtaining FV. It seems more likely then that the mathematically ignorant would buried in credit card debt and face the prospect of destitution in retirement.

Every gambler should be familiar with the following equation in one form or another:

EV = P(Winning) * Jackpot * (1 - Marginal Tax Rate)

But the mathematically ignorant aren't, and that's why lotteries are so popular.

But you're probably right, though, that there ought to be more than way to teach the truly essential applications of algebra. The fact is that many folks don't have the intellectual raw material to be a Renaissance Man. Perhaps they should have special trade schools, or perhaps something like the "A-levels" and "O-levels" distinction they have in the UK.


366 posted on 03/07/2006 12:34:41 PM PST by RBroadfoot
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To: smith288
What math, higher math teaches you is how to apply disiplined reasoning skills to a complex problem. How to break the problem up into smaller lesser problems, etc, until you either recognize a pattern/solution or have broken the problem into small solvable pieces. I find this skills a great help in writing code. And since I do not like rewriting what I have already written, I find formatting and clear comments explaining what I am doing and why I am doing it a great help too.
367 posted on 03/07/2006 12:36:23 PM PST by jpsb
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To: Doc Savage

eeks! Moon pi's are much better!


368 posted on 03/07/2006 12:36:46 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: -YYZ-

As an industrial supervisior, my old high school algebra book sat on my desk. I moved into sales and sure enough, had to keep it in the bookcase behind my desk. As a national account executive (I sell to big customers now), I had to dig it out again. I had to figure out a simple mark-up. I buy product at $22.80 and want to sell it with a 34% markup. Selling price is_____


369 posted on 03/07/2006 12:37:19 PM PST by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: Shooter1001
Do you really think the pyramids were built without A^2 + B^2 = C^2 ??

Probably not in this form. The Egyptians knew of the 3,4,5 right triangle, and based everything from there. They didn't use 5,12,13 right triangles, or other right triangles that were not 3,4,5.

Sort of like how this thread is going -- some people are using algebra without knowing it. The Egyptians were using the Pythagorean theorem without knowing it.

370 posted on 03/07/2006 12:37:55 PM PST by PallMal
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To: Emmett McCarthy
I posted a vanity a few years ago asking for advice as I began taking calculus courses, I got a few hundred replies, mostly from people posting on THIS thread, :)

If someone were to ask me for advice today for taking any of the "higher" math courses such as calculus, DEQ, discrete mathematics or linear systems it would be to completely UNDERSTAND geometry and trigonometry. Not only to understand these two(?) subjects but to live them and breath them. Geometry and trig will come up over and over and over again. Being able to see in your head exactly what TAN(X) looks like without thinking about it will help very much in all advanced math courses. If I would have known all of the trig functions and identities as well as my own name, my academic life would have been much easier in the long run.
371 posted on 03/07/2006 12:38:18 PM PST by IYAAYAS (Live free or die trying)
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To: martin_fierro

f(x) = (Ping)^y


372 posted on 03/07/2006 12:40:03 PM PST by MikefromOhio (22,952+ replies - wow I'm talkative.....)
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To: SoothingDave
Maintenance programming is a drag. New development is fun. I always try to work myself out of a job, that way I am available when something good comes along.
373 posted on 03/07/2006 12:40:11 PM PST by jpsb
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To: RBroadfoot
But the mathematically ignorant aren't, and that's why lotteries are so popular.

Reminds me of when the NY Lotto went from 40 to 48 numbers. The non-mathematical persons were saying "it's only 8 more numbers -- it couldn't be that much harder to get 6 out of 48 numbers".

LOL

374 posted on 03/07/2006 12:41:29 PM PST by PallMal
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To: IYAAYAS

Bump, I can't tell ypou how many times I've gone back to the "unit circle" just to try to make trig second nature.


375 posted on 03/07/2006 12:42:13 PM PST by jpsb
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To: RBroadfoot

He's just prejudiced, because a Muslim invented Algebra!


376 posted on 03/07/2006 12:43:29 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: xsmommy

And that one looks round. I always heard that pie are square.


377 posted on 03/07/2006 12:45:10 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty)
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To: Calvin Locke

Well, no wonder he left it in the creek. A Kennedy wouldn't be caught dead in a two-year old automobile!......


378 posted on 03/07/2006 12:45:15 PM PST by Red Badger (And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him...)
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To: Bear_Slayer

it looks yummy, no matter HOW ya slice it ; )


379 posted on 03/07/2006 12:45:59 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: RBroadfoot
Here's the thing, Gabriela: You will never need to know algebra. I have never once used it and never once even rued that I could not use it. ...

Gabriela, sooner or later someone's going to tell you that algebra teaches reasoning. This is a lie propagated by, among others, algebra teachers. Writing is the highest form of reasoning.


For many people – but not journalists – Algebra does come in handy. It even hones reasoning skills, a skill seldom used by today’s journalists.
380 posted on 03/07/2006 12:46:30 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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