Posted on 03/06/2006 11:29:39 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
Hello Alamo-Girl, put me down as pre-trib even though I have some reservations.
Thanks for the ping.
Seven
His Kingdom will have no end...
That's right, the phrase was "Pan-Tribulation" my pastor used. I wonder if your friend and I had the same pastor?
:-)
"Watch and pray."
jm
New Jersey area? :)
"Someday some of them say that our hearts
will beat like the wheels of a fast train
going 'round the worldSome say we'll be together
Some say for a very long time
Some of them will say a very long time"-- "Book of Brilliant Things", Simple Minds
I thought we were in Kali Yuga which is the destructive period which is why I likened it to 'in ruin', but I defer to you as I am not up on the details. Thanks for the clarification.
It would be comforting to be able to accept any scripture on faith, but I cannot fully do that at this point in my life. If I had to make a choice though, the Vedas would be it.
You forgot only one of the Christian views:
Panmillennialism -- It'll all pan out in the end.
For the record: I lean toward a pre-trib model, but think the jury's still out on whether it's that or mid-trib. Post-trib would have the saved bouncing up and then right back down again for the Millennium, so that gets no traction with me.
Ultimately, though, my own personal opinion is that everything will come to an end, at last, when all of the "isms" become "wasms".
Amillennialism, Roman Catholic
Ask not for whom everything ends, it ends for everything,
or something like that.
Personally I'm going to meditate on compassion and hope for the best.
Obviously, it's all going to end as soon as I stop waking up.
Y'all better be nice to me.
interesting thread
Christ will withdraw His Church(Those who have accepted the gift of salvation through Jesus) prior to the judgment that will come upon the earth which will end the age of grace. After a period of judgment Christ will return with His bride, the church and set up His Kingdom as promised to David that his seed will rule forever and ever, sun up to sun down. After a thousand year reign satan is released for a final judgment on the earth and then satan and his minions are cast into the lake of fire forever and ever.
Those who have accepted the promise of Gods covenant with His Son, will remain with Him forever and ever with the establishment of a new heaven and earth...
"reaches maximum entropy"
Some call that the state of Pennsylvania.
I have personally pretty much abandoned any ideas of a theological basis for continuance.
A God who demands we worship him, then simply gives no emperical evidence of his existence or an afterlife, is not particularly charitable, IMHO.
So I'm inclined to break the question into two parts:
What is mans end and
What is the universe end.
And I have answers for neither, but no doubt with populations increasing and resources dwindling, mans end might not be very pretty at all.
dispensational premillenialism
The Mormon expectation:
The "world" that ends is the current age dominated by vice, greed, lust, and power.
Jesus Christ will personally return and the brightness of his coming burns the earth and destroys the wicked. The physical earth will be burned, but it will not be destroyed in the process. The burning will rid the earth of the works of corruption and evil.
Christ will reign over the earth for a period of a thousand years. Those who have been faithful and obedient to God's commandments (regardless of their religious affiliation) will remain. His coming ushers in a series of resurrections of the dead. Mortals will be born, raised, and live on earth, but they will not taste of death. They will be transformed at the time of death from mortality to immortality. During this period the earth will be renewed to an Eden-like state.
During this millennial period, Satan will be bound and will exercise no influence over humanity. However, at the end of the thousand years, Satan will be released, leading to his final battle against God and the righteous. At the end of this conflict, the physical earth will "pass away" and be "reborn" as an eternal kingdom of glory, which "the meek" will inherit. All of humanity will be resurrected and judged according to their works and they will live eternally in "many mansions" of varying degrees of glory.
Thanks so much Alamo-Girl!
Pre-Tribulation Rapture here...Jesus comes first for His church & then comes back with His Church
Come Lord Jesus!!!
I am writing an article which covers a lot of topics including Kali Yuga timing, if you want a ping when I post it let me know, best is by freepmail so I see it.
Kali Yuga is ruination, pretty much, but there is a Golden Age and there are benefits. Kind of black and white.
That old world ended the day this one began. Once a person embraces Yeshua, all things pass away. We may see the old world around us...but it is gone. We open our eyes, and all things are new...and we have died and been reborn...into Him.
Upon coming to Jesus, we are coming to Heaven. Just knowing Him is Heaven. Rebirth by the HS negates purgatory. His indwelling brings any existence into the Heavenly realm.
Of this I have proof...I am proof! and so are you!
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