Posted on 03/06/2006 8:18:41 PM PST by tbird5
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To be perfectly honest I didn't know who Kincaide was till I started reading this thread. To me art is in eye of the beholder. Last week a twelve year old kid stuck gum on a painting. After seeing the picture the kid was the smartist one in the room. Anyone who would PAY $1.5 MILLION for that should have gum stuck on it!
I also think anyone who would pay money for a "Print" as an investmet is an Idiot.
I go by the handle "Painter" not because I paint pictures on canvas,but as a person who can take a car that looks like hell and make it look better than new. My specialty is 1965-1970 Mustangs. One of these days when I get my scanner working I'll put some before and after shots on my web site.
I love much "modern " (abstract impressionist) art, but that stuff is monumentally awful.
Give me a Mondrian, Miro, or Matisse (just to cover one letter of the alphabet.)
All RIGHT! Just when you're sure a thread could not possibly have anything to do with Bill Clinton, someone on FR will manage to bring him into it! Well done, but surprisingly late! :)
He's done more to make art a joke than the fools in the liberal circles who put crucifixes in urine or dung on the Madonna.
He was pointedly not critical of postmodernist art, but seemed comfortable working in his way, while accepting that other artists did different work for different audiences.
The more modern "shock art" is a reaction to increasing public indifference to recent fine art trends, particularly in visual arts. In many instances, they're doing anything they can to attract attention. They consider themselves "rebels", although you'll notice the same willingness to disparage Christianity, but not Islam, that is evident in the mainstream press. They choose to be brave against people who they are fairly sure will not firebomb their galleries.
He should return them.
It's as valid today as it was when it was ignored. At least TK creates something of beauty.
ping for later
"I think I may have overstated my case on this one. That does not mean, however, that your take is right either."
And that's the fun part; we can't either of us know for sure, but the piece has us talking about it.
"he must have wondered "Why is this splatter-junk in the greatest museums of the world, and my work is derided as 'old fashioned' and the supposed 'connoisseurs' look down their nose at me?" "
From everything I've read of Rockwell, he didn't have that big an ego. :)
As to your assessment of where various artists will end up historically, I agree that Rockwell will be known for a long time as representative of his time and place. I'm not hugely familiar with Twombly, and you don't even spell the names of the other two artists correctly, so I'll take your assessment of their futures for what it's worth. :-D
Ping 'cause there are schlocky cross-stitch kits of this guy's work. Not even cool enough to be kitsch.
"I read Rockwell's notes on the painting. The gentleman is supposed to be perplexed."
Then you have the advantage of me in background information.
As to those who shock just to shock, I agree that they are out there, and it's mine to choose whether I think their things are of interest, or just bratty.
No, he isn't.
"Thomas Kinkade was a Nazarene, a member of the Church of the Nazarene."
"was" Wonder what he is now?
'69 Shelby GT - high art in automotive design. As were most of the late '60's muscle cars.
"*jealous*
I wish I had an ability to draw faces! You're very good. :-)"
You can. Go look up a woman named Betty Edwards. She taught at Long Beach State, where I attended, andshe taught courses for the non-artist to develop artistic skills - which evolved into a series of books, the first being "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain". She would take people with zero artistic ability, and by the end of the semester, would have them drawing beautiful portraits and still life. She's wonderful, she's done amazing work with her students, and she's a GREAT resource for those that want to try art, but think they have no ability. (Her core idea was, from talking to her, is that anyone can draw what they see, it's a skill anyone can learn.) If you have ANY urge to try your hand, go pick up her book (or if you're really lucky, and she's still teaching, take her class.)
For those in this thread who wish they had half of Kinkade's talent - you DO. Kinkade uses similar techniques to create his paintings, that are exactly like Bob Ross (Happy trees). There are sweatshops in Hong Kong and mainland China that will crank out one of his paintings for you, in your hands with the paint still wet, in less than an hour, it's really not hard to do what he does. It's very simple - use a formulaic setting, like a cabin, don't worry about such finicky and silly things like perspective, and load the canvas up with blobs of green with smaller blobs of reds and yellows and violets. Viola! You have a Kinkade. Kinkade has no real talent with brushwork or pallette knife, his use of color is clumsy at best, and his draftsmanship is abysmal. His "skill" is loading up the canvas with so much garbage, the eye cannot focus on anything, and you get the "cotton candy" poofy effect. It's taking advantage of information overload and the absence of an actual composition to create an "effect". It's not art, it's special effects - and not very good ones at that.
In fact, you'd probably get a lot more enjoyment and pleasure from trying to do this kind of art yourself (and investing in the canvases, paint, and brushes), than dropping $400 on a $1 print.
Me, I'd buy a Frankenthaler print. I'm not a fan of her genre, but there's a serenity to her work that I love. I grok her. At least she stuck to the traditional canvas/paint genre, and did'nt vear into the ridiculous "found" art, or the contrived ox hearts in vials.
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