Posted on 03/06/2006 7:13:02 AM PST by CarrotAndStick
Jerusalem, March 6: Against the backdrop of the recent Indo-US nuclear deal, the Israeli defence industry has expressed concern that the United States' tightening security ties with India will adversely affect their prospects in one of their key markets.
"The Americans understood Israel is taking a huge market away from them. It took them time to respond, but they eventually did," a source at Israel's defence industries told local daily 'Yediot Ahronoth'.
"From now on it will be much harder to carry out arms deals in India," the source added. "The US plans on turning India into one of its arms industries' main export markets following the recent nuclear deal between the two countries during President Bush's visit to India," the report said.
India had emerged as the single largest purchaser of Israeli defence systems capping the Phalcon deal worth $1 billion.
With all due reason that is meaningless.
We do not approve of any arms sales to China, irrespective of whose tech it is, even including the EU.
I am aware that Clinton sold out this country, but surely you aren't citing that as president for the Israeli - China connection.
Israel would not even need an arms industry if it didn't need to produce arms to fight possible wars against enemies who are armed to the gills by the United States.
Now that is hogwash. Our selling arms to any of Israel's enemies ensures that they will never be used against them
Or are you saying that Israel is threatened militarily by Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan?
Her enemies are Iran and Syria, and we certainly do not sell arms to them.
In fact, we just wiped Iraq off the board. - not the actions of someone who arms her enemies to the teeth.
Like it or not without the US there would be no Israel, and thats the way that it is and has been since 1955 or so.
No they just currently suck up to Iran for oil, are aginst the Iraq War, side against the US in the UN non-aligned, allied with USSR throughout the Cold War, have been Socialist and intensely trade protectionist, and inspired the Pakistanis to acquire nukes by their own acquisiton.
Two can play the mud slinging game.
I forgot. They all sided with the Nazis in WW2 (Chandra Bose).
"I forgot. They all sided with the Nazis in WW2 (Chandra Bose)."
60,000 Indians died fighting for the Allies during WW1; 90,000 died in WW1 (both totals DO NOT include civilian deaths)....at least get your facts right before you get on your soap box.
Sorry...that should be at least 60, 000 in WW2 and 90,000 military deaths in WW1.
There has been one and only one American position: "There is every reason to believe the USS Liberty was identified...by Israeli aircraft...before the attack" and (therefore) "as a minimum the attack must be condemned as an act of military recklessness reflecting wanton disregard for human life."
This position was conveyed to the government of Israel on June 10, 1967, by the United States Secretary of State, in a letter which demanded appropriate amends, disciplinary action and corrective measures.
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That sounds about right.
Israel should really get more on the same page as the USA, and that includes not selling to Chicom.And they should STFU about the US-India relations, which is a positive development overall.Israel does not always have the BIG picture in focus.
And yes, I love and support Israel (UAE boycott does not reflect well on its state-owned company's trustworthiness to operate port terminals).
So I got my facts wrong on the relationship between Chandra Bose, the Indian hero, and the Nazis?
Your silence about my other points signals your acquiescence.
"I will support Israel despite this but I will call them on it and support sanctions and other efforts to curtail these activities in the future. "
When are you calling the UK on it?
THE value of UK arms exports to China has more than trebled to more than £100m in the past three years alone, it emerged last night.
http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1075
Thanks for the posting, Canedawg. Same here....I love and admire Israel too. However, all that doesn't matter to the some one-issue minds.
touche'
"Or are you saying that Israel is threatened militarily by Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan?"
Yes, unequivocally.
"According to the annual report issued by the Congressional Research Service, a division of the Library of Congress, only China and India recorded more arms transfer agreements, thus making Egypt the principal arms buyer in the Middle East. The report issued last week in Washington said Egypt recorded $6.5 billion worth of weapons purchases from 2001 to 2004. Israel bought $4.4b. during the same period and Saudi Arabia recorded $3.8b.
For Egypt, which receives $1.3b. in annual US military grants, most of its weapons were purchased from the United States ($5.6b.). Most of this has been for military platforms and weapons, including advanced attack helicopters and fast missile vessels. "
http://www.kokhavivpublications.com/editions/israel/2005/09/egypt-biggest-arms-buyer-in-middle.php
Further the Iraqi Scuds that hit Israeli cities during Gulf 1 were based in part on US technology. Israel did not respond to these direct missile attacks on its cities at US behest. A mistake on the part of both countries IMO.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1399564/posts
See that? Hitler's Indian army.
India has always played both sides in order to gain favors. It was against British rule, so it sided with the Nazi's.
original article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3684288.stm
What say you now?
They're not giving Indian nukes, i know. But, with the assistance in the civilian program, Indian's military nuclear program will grow faster. Hence, in essence, it is helping India to proliferate.
This my exact point -- US can't tell the Israelis not to sell weapons to other countries diplomatically because it is willing to give India nuclear fuel which will eventually allow India to grow its own military nukes ata FASTER pace than before. How hypocritical would the US look if one hand, US gives to a nation that doesn't sign the NPT, and on the other hand, US tells Israel it can't sell to X,Y,Z countries? A hard sell.
Oh yeah, Israel, which also hasn't signed the NPT, didn't get the same treatment that the US gave to the Indians on nuclear fuel either.
You want sources of Israeli's resumption of weapon sales (that you can easily do a google instead of sitting around for your Dalits to serve you):
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/02032006/323/israel-authorises-military-exports-china.html
Time says, Thursday, last week, right after the deal with India between US and India.
A whole 100M in three years huh? That's serious. Britain is not a fair comparison in any case as they are not as dependent on us fiscally and technologically as Israel is. I guess it's also an emotionally charged issue with respect to Israel since we do support them so strongly when the world could care less. I support them through it all and will continue to support them as does our country and to such an extent that they are almost totally dependent so it pains me to see them act against us in such a cavalier fashion. To preempt the obvious comeback we can sell to who we want and still require those we support to tow the line, much like a dependent living under my roof. You may not like it but it's my way or the highway.
Go away, ChiCom troll.....do something about the Tibetians and the Inner Mongolians first. And while you are at it, ask you masters in the pulitburo to revise their talking points.
Looks like that Indian professor of yours really got under your skin....LOL
Speaking of my Indian prof -- well, i think i make about twice as much as that cheapskate does. He is one of those a-hole professors that will try to get people to work for him for free in grad school. Never again will I work for an Indian.
By the way, I am just in the process of mailling out notices to neighbors (being i am in teh association and all) who have not kept up with simple yard maintenances.
Guess what? Nearly all of them are Indian. I should write my letter:
"Dear Sir/Madam,
This is the United States of America. This is not India or some third world turd hole. Here, we have suburbs and neighborhoods and home owners association. This is not some sh*thole third world hellhole where you are free to let the grass die in the front yard and affect the resale value of properties in the neighborhood. Yes, we're aware of your economic status both here and India, being a Brahmin and all, but please, since you can't afford to get Dalits here, clean up your own yard. MOW AND WATER the lawn once in a while." /Sarc off.
I'll take a few photos of the yard and the Indians that aren't doing simple maintenance and will post it here. I am not sure why, but the 4 Indian family in this neighborhood just never bothers to cut the grass much or water the lawn. Instead, you just get weed EVERYWHERE. Last year there was a little girl that got poison ivy from of them - the family almost sue the Indian family down the street before they moved.
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