Yes, one can have free trade between separate countries, each retaining its national borders and sovereignty, however the purpose of this implementation of free trade is world government.
Posted on 03/06/2006 5:38:38 AM PST by spintreebob
Driving on I55 to and from Chicago, I saw convoys of CUNEJO and CAVALLO headed north; 2 weeks in a row on FRI, SUN, TUE and WED. CUNEJO and CAVALLO are upstart buslines competing with Greyhound and private charters for immigrant traffic. I did not realize these new examples of capitalism now have so many buses.
I have previously noted on FR that historically many Mexican immigrants are seasonal workers who go home to their families in November and return in Feb-Mar. The NET number of immigrants has historically been quite different from the GROSS number of immigrants.
But 2005 changed that historic pattern. Although CUNEJO and CAVALLO did take many immigrants home, many others chose not to go home this time. They saw a possible change in the politics of immigration threaten this historic pattern. The result was that rather than go home, they rushed to bring their families here. And many of the ones who went home brought their families back with them. These immigrants are now psychologically choosing the USA as their primary home and no longer see themselves as "guest workers" or "seasonal" or whatever name is your preference.
The scare of the border becoming more costly to cross has resulted in a significant increase in immigration, at least from my observations of Illinois.
At a predominantly Mexican shopping site, I noticed many more recent arrivals than in past years at that same shopping site.
Right now the bridge is cheap and easy for all to walk across except for the stupid who cross in the desert. But if the border is tightened, the main beneficiaries will be the gangs of smugglers whose main business now is drugs and not people as the profit margin is small for moving people accross.
Interestingly, one motivation of the immigrants rushing their families accross is that they do not want to do business with the drug traffickers for moral reasons. They might not have a Nobel Prize like Milton Friedman but they understand economics as well as he does, at least when it comes to their own lives.
(All comments anecdotal about Mexico-Texas-Illinois traffic.)
The logical outcome of the free market ideology is erasing of the national borders and creating of the world government. Do you really think that you will have free market then?
We are being invaded and with the full knowledge and help of our government...
imo
I used to work in Gainesville GA and saw many busloads of new arrivals coming in there also.
"The logical outcome of the free market ideology is erasing of the national borders and creating of the world government."
Only to people with your idea of logic.
The best I can follow it is, "free market ideology will eventualy make your market less free, so let's make it less free now and avoid the wait."
LOL
Yes.
"there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless."
(Nicolo Machiavelli, The Prince, chapter XXII, c. 1505 AD)
At the same time, A Black clergy woman and her parishioners were picketing the Mexican businesses for selling toy guns. When cars passed by, they could not read all the hand scrawled picket signs. They just saw that the Mexicans were being picketed and concluded that it was an anti-Mexican picket. Politics and freedoms were the topic of the day for hundreds of people at the market where previously only 5 or 6 talked politics.
They clearly see the Minutemen, Oberweis and anti-immigrant forces as ANTI-FAMILY. Many illegal immigrants are extended family of legal immigrants or family by marriage to a citizen. They specifically linked their doubts about Oberweis on abortion and his immigration policies as an anti-family pattern.
These people have pro-life bumper stickers on their cars. They are pro-2d amendment and specifically state that one reason they prefer the USA over Mexico is their ability to carry a gun and practice self-defense. (Not all the bulges I see in their clothing are cell phones.)
They are strongly pro-business. They are constantly raising private donations among themselves to pay for unusual medical expenses of their uninsured cousin so that they dont have to take humiliating government welfare. They are natural allies of conservatives. But they see conservative Republicans as unfriendly. They disagree with the Dems on virtually every issue. But the Dems present an image of being their friend.
I was unable to think up any angle that I could use to convert them into voting for Oberweis.
Separately, I had conversations with some of my white Hanover Park voters, including pro-lifers who claim to be Democrats but have voted pro-life in the past 4 GOP primaries and other Catholics and fundamentalists. They know and agree with my pro-immigration position. They see that the illegal immigrant homeowners on their block are better neighbors than the white trash that used to live in Hangover Park.
I can think of no way that I will be able to convince them to vote for Oberweis. They are just too pro-immigrant.... and not as machiavellian as I am.
This March 10 event is a no-win situation for Oberweis. As long as immigration is in the news, Oberweis cannot get the unity he needs to pass Judy. If Oberweis could keep the news solely on George Ryan and Blago and corruption/taxes/spending he could win the primary.
If Oberweis had properly handled the immigration issue last summer and fall, as I had urged him ... and Joe Wiegand to do ... and as Frank Avila and Russ Stewart had urged him to do on Tom Roeser's program ... then Oberweis would not be in this no-win box now.
I am quite pessimistic.
JBT wins
Obie 2nd place (again)
Brady 3rd, Gidwitz 4th.
I disagree...that is not the logical outcome. One can have free trade between two separate countries. Witness our free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico. Moreover, there will never be a completely free market...it is politically impossible.
What makes them separate?
Interesting take, many good points.
As someone wittier than I once said:
"Welcome to America! Here's your leafblower."
Many things...to write an exhaustive list would take way too much time. Can Mexico draft me into their military? Can I carry a firearm in Mexico? Can George Bush order Canada send troops to Iraq?
You are missing the key things and the connections.
Where are the buses licensed?
My brother lives there, and he's visiting us right now, here in southern California...he mentioned that the only plus is that there are now some genuine Mexican Restaurants.
Yes, one can have free trade between separate countries, each retaining its national borders and sovereignty, however the purpose of this implementation of free trade is world government.
There never has been nor is there now, such a thing as 'free trade'. As soon as govts sign an agreement of any kind the trade is regulated. Can Canads ship goods without a manifest or a chance that customs will inspect it? No. There is no free trade. The only agreements we sign now are mutual trade agreements that contain benefits to one or more parties involved in the agreement not the general public.
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