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U.S. Report Says Russia Is Not a Reliable Partner
The Moscow Times ^ | March 6, 2006 | George Gedda

Posted on 03/05/2006 12:19:17 PM PST by lizol

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To: lizol

http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/Russia_TaskForce.pdf


21 posted on 03/05/2006 5:05:43 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: lizol; GarySpFc; x5452; Hill of Tara

Wow - this is a first - Free Republic members touting a product worked on by STROBE TALBOTT - the man who gives Gorbachev ALL the credit for the end of the Cold War AND denies Reagan his rightful legacy of having defeated Communism... The same Strobe Talbott who told "us" to put all our eggs in the Gorbachev basket and forget about Yeltsin.... Yeah, I'd bank on anything he worked on (/sarcasm)

Here's Strobe (and btw, he's the reason the Clinton Administration squandered all the good chances we had to ensure Russia chose the right path):

"In the May 21, 1984 Time, he insisted: "The Reagan Administration has made a bad situation worse in two ways: First, by convincing the Soviet leaders that the U.S. no longer accepts military parity as the basis for relations with Moscow; second, by challenging the legitimacy of the Soviet regime, calling the USSR an `evil empire' doomed to fail."

Here's Strobe telling Eastern Europe they shouldn't be free:
"Throughout the 1980s, most of these pundits derisively condemned Mr. Reagan's policies. Mr. Talbott faulted the Reagan administration for espousing "the early fifties goal of rolling back Soviet domination of Eastern Europe," an objective he considered misguided and unrealistic. "Reagan is counting on American technological and economic predominance to prevail in the end," Mr. Talbott scoffed, adding that if the Soviet economy was in a crisis of any kind, "it is a permanent, institutionalized crisis with which the U.S.S.R. has learned to live." (That's right Poland, East Germany, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, etc., etc., if Strobe had his way you would NOT be free)

More from Strobe Talbott praising Gorby:
"Gorbachev won Time's esteemed award because they share the same foreign policy outlook. To both, the Soviet threat was a Western, right-wing delusion.Dissing Reagan again in favor of Gorbachev:
"Strobe Talbott, writing in the issue of Time magazine that declared Gorbachev "Man of the Decade," dismisses what he calls the "conceit" that Gorbachev is a consequence and vindication of Western policy, and says flatly: "Gorbachev is responding primarily to internal pressures, not external ones..."

And more about this putz (his complicity in the Russia-Iran Missile sales):
"Talbott didn't want anything to interfere with his agenda of aid to Russia,"say congressional aides familiar with his role in quashing the information and lobbying to get Oehler fired. "Raising the issue of Russian missile transfers to Iran was sure to anger the Russians - something Talbott wanted to avoid at all costs." A top aide to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu put it more politely: "Israel is on the receiving end of these missiles, whereas Strobe Talbott views this issue in the broader context of U.S.-Russian relations." By mid-summer, however, with the Russian transfers accelerating, not slowing, Lott teamed up with Senator Joseph Lieberman to introduce legislation that would impose sanctions on the Russian firms engaged in the transfers and cut off U.S. aid to Talbott's pet Russian projects, including the high profile flights of American astronauts on board the Mir space station. To quell the storm, Talbott finally agreed to hand the issue over to retired Ambassador Frank Wisner, who in July was asked to be the U.S. delegate to a joint committee with the Russians to investigate the allegations of missile transfers to Iran. His Russian counterpart was none other than Yuri Koptev, the head of the Russian Space Agency - the very man the Israelis claimed was behind some of the Russian missile deals with Iran."

Sorry - can't give any credence to any report on any subject that had Strobe Talbott working on it.


22 posted on 03/05/2006 5:33:21 PM PST by Romanov
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To: lizol; GarySpFc; x5452; Hill of Tara

Take a good look at the biographies at the end of the report. A lot of left-leaning, or downright leftist "think tanks" represented (ex: World Wildlife Federation). Also look at the time periods the participants were government workers (big hint - Bill Clinton). I find it odd that the group of people who were the ones advising Clinton on Russia and got it soooooo wrong are now publishing this. Well, expect the report to be quoted by the DNC. (And, there are some valid points made in it [a broken clock is right twice a day too], but the irony is these are the folks who were standing watch when Russia started veering down the wrong path and their own ineptitude is the root of the problems vis-a-vis our situation with Russia)


23 posted on 03/05/2006 5:51:45 PM PST by Romanov
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To: lizol

"Russia's emergence as an increasingly authoritarian state could impair U.S.-Russian ability to cooperate on key international security issues, according to an analysis by a major U.S. foreign policy organization released on Sunday."

Good! Some countries shouldn't be cooperated with.


24 posted on 03/05/2006 6:26:47 PM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: lizol

"On the whole, though, the report said relations were headed in the wrong direction."

It is not relations that are headed in the wrong direction direction---but Russia.


25 posted on 03/05/2006 6:27:47 PM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: lizol; spanalot


"Is the Russian Wives/Veteran Club supporting our President on this?

Don't know yet.

But soon we're going to see one of them (the one from "X...-files") saying, that Condie Rice wouldn't agree with it. :-)))"

LOL!


26 posted on 03/05/2006 6:29:40 PM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: Thunder90

"Did you know that our closest ally, Israel, sells high tech weaponry to the Russians?"

Have a reference on that? I knew about the Chinese but not the Russians.

If it's any consolation, the Israelis are going through the same moronic process of belatedly realizing the Russians are not good guys that the US is.


27 posted on 03/05/2006 6:31:29 PM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: anthropogeezer
During the Cold War, of the Arctic and Indic (Alaska and Israel becoming states ).

Welcome, newbie. Your anti-Semitic slip is showing ...

28 posted on 03/05/2006 6:55:09 PM PST by bassmaner (Let's take the word "liberal" back from the commies!!)
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To: jb6; GarySpFc

ping


29 posted on 03/05/2006 8:09:20 PM PST by Wiz (News hyaena providing you news with spice of acid)
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To: strategofr

I do know for sure that Israel has sold Russia eqipment to build a wall around Chechnya, Some UAV gagetery, advanced NVG, specs for cruise missiles, and other high tech computer equipment.


30 posted on 03/05/2006 9:11:19 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: anthropogeezer

Add China to the equasion and you have 80% of world production, 80% of world energy reserves, and 80% of the world's natural resources.


31 posted on 03/05/2006 9:13:14 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: lizol

Anyone with an idea what a republic is would say we weren't one after 1941.


32 posted on 03/05/2006 9:36:07 PM PST by x5452
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To: GSlob; Romanov; GarySpFc; jb6; Hill of Tara; RusIvan

READ THE REPORT.

The Moscow times is a leftist anti-bush rag (i can cite examples if you wish) further their evidence for this story is all from Clinton-Carter sources.

What sort of American would post this?

None of course.

Only a Soros defending non American born raised and living in Poland could dig this up. Lizol is Polish, lives in Poland, and backs NGOs which call Americans fascists.


33 posted on 03/05/2006 9:39:53 PM PST by x5452
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To: lizol

I figure that we need to take the beam out of our own eye on this one.
All I have to do is recall what the US has done to Poland from the l930's forward and I know that we are just as unreliable. And Poland, unlike Russia, was never our enemy!


34 posted on 03/05/2006 10:24:10 PM PST by Spirited
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To: anthropogeezer
Russia as pro American-led globalization? hopefully but HARDLY.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1516559/posts?page=37#37 <- scroll down

35 posted on 03/05/2006 10:28:01 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Thunder90

do know for sure that Israel has sold Russia eqipment to build a wall around Chechnya, Some UAV gagetery, advanced NVG, specs for cruise missiles, and other high tech computer equipment.==

Russia uses enough of her own of this. Why she needs Israelis.


36 posted on 03/06/2006 12:07:42 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: lizol; Romanov; GarySpFc; jb6; Hill of Tara; RusIvan
Anyone familiar with the government of the United States would realize it is the place of the President and Secretary of State to determine foreign policy.

It is not the place of paranoid Eastern Europeans to determine said policy. Thank God our leaders do not set foreign policy based on the whims of conspiracy theorists and insecure keyboard commandos. These individuals do not listen to our president and SoS, and why should I? Now if and when the president and SoS determine the policy towards Russia should be different, then I will follow his desires on that matter.
37 posted on 03/06/2006 1:16:39 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: x5452

Ping


38 posted on 03/06/2006 1:42:45 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: 1rudeboy

Let's see, the U.S. spent billions to not determine the Soviet Union was going out of business.
Since then we've spent how much keeping an eye on russia? Trying to persuade them to act like responsible internationalists? Thinking we've a "partner in peace".
Oh, but we've not spent bucks to determint russia isn't a friend?
Maybe not for this article there pal.


39 posted on 03/06/2006 2:59:26 AM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: GarySpFc
Corrrection:

These individuals do not listen to our president and SoS, and why should I listen to them.
40 posted on 03/06/2006 5:37:15 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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