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Thank you, Mr Bush (from India)
Hindustan Times ^ | March 4, 2006 | Karan Thapar

Posted on 03/04/2006 10:34:51 PM PST by FairOpinion

Have you noticed how the world doesn’t like America? Few countries have anything good to say. The irony is that those for whom it has done the most tend to be least grateful. And this applies regardless of whether the recipient state is Asian, Latin American or European.

In the 1950s, when the Marshall Plan was reviving Europe’s crushed fortunes, it was commonplace in England to joke about Yankee unpopularity. The one that became best known went like this: “We hate them for three reasons, because they are over-paid, over-sexed and over-here.” This snide if successful strand of humour has roots that stretch far back into Europe’s relations with the ‘New World’. Oscar Wilde was a past master: “It was wonderful to find America, but it would have been more wonderful still to have missed it”, or “America had often been discovered before Columbus, but it had always been hushed up.”

Even the French had their little digs. Clemenceau, who was Prime Minister during World War I, is best known for the following witticism: “America is the only country to have progressed from barbarism to decadence without experiencing the intervening stage of civilisation.” Freud: “America is the most grandiose experiment the world has seen but, I’m afraid, it’s not going to succeed.”

What lies behind such humour is rank jealousy. Success, no doubt, breeds envy but when your own impoverishment or incapacity adds the curse of dependence envy turns rapidly into dislike. The more the world needs America the more it hates itself for it. And since one cannot swear at oneself, America becomes the next best victim.

Of course, Yankee crassness, at times their innocence and often their idiocy have added to this. Americans are hardly their own best ambassadors. I recall a US Senator at the Cambridge Union who single handedly helped his side lose the motion “This House reaffirms its faith in America.” It happened when, carried away by his eloquence, he warmed to the subject and promised to lift the poor cities of the world “up, up, up — all the way till they look like Kansas City.” That shattered all prospects of a vote in favour.

And yet if America feels let down, stung by ingratitude, even lacerated, I can understand its feelings. Because those who need America the most are often the ones to kick hardest. This week India came very close to joining the list of the ungrateful.

Consider the facts. After nearly forty years of undisputed existence, the international nuclear non-proliferation regime, one of the world’s most sacred holy cows, has been dismantled to admit one single country. Of itself this is epoch-making. It’s revolutionary. But when you add the fact that this will give India, a country that was sometimes called a nuclear rogue state, the capacity to enlarge its civilian nuclear industry, which otherwise simply couldn’t have happened, the magnitude becomes enormous.

But are we grateful? Not if you look at the Left or the Samajwadi Party. Nor if you judge by the so-called popular protest on the streets. Not even if you go by the polls published by newspapers like this one. Instead, we’re more concerned about Bush’s Iraq policy or his threats to Iran, by his duplicity in the war on terrorism or even his simplistic, moralistic, little-Christian attitudes. We prefer to see reasons to dislike him. We ignore all cause for gratitude.

My point is simple. If Bush is so terrible why did we seek him out for help? If his Iraq policy is so unforgivable and if he is, as Arundhati Roy insists, a killer, why did we ask for his assistance? The choice to not do so was always there. But we consciously acted otherwise. Now, having got what we wanted, and possibly in far greater measure than expected, does it become us to carp and criticise?

The truth is we have in George W. Bush a president more pro-Indian than any before him. In fact the same nuclear deal would not have been possible under Clinton or Kerry or Gore. Bush alone made it happen. And he did so despite our Parliament’s well-known stand on Iraq and the ill-disguised contempt our elite have for him. If he could rise above all that then, surely, in return we could have expressed our gratitude more clearly and with good cheer. The protests should have been postponed or muted. They were hardly a suitable way of saying thank you.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: india; thankyou
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To: Candor7
I, a backwoods resident of Vermont, have Cowboy boots, A Texas Marshall's Hat with an Alamo Badge , a waxed canvas driver/horseman's coat that goes down to my ankles, and a Colt single action Army in a slap leather holster.

Photos please!!! ;*)

81 posted on 03/05/2006 11:42:43 AM PST by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN - Support our troops. I *LOVE* my attitude problem! Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: ketelone
Thank you so much for your kind words about our country and THE President. Thank you also, for taking such great care of him during his stay with you.

Here's to a long happy relationship between our two countries. Cheers!

82 posted on 03/05/2006 11:47:04 AM PST by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN - Support our troops. I *LOVE* my attitude problem! Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: indcons
Now I am getting teary eyed. Thank you for your kind words.

Thank you again Indcons, for supplying us with up to the minute local news on THE Presidents visit to India.

83 posted on 03/05/2006 11:52:13 AM PST by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN - Support our troops. I *LOVE* my attitude problem! Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Justanobody

btt


84 posted on 03/05/2006 12:13:09 PM PST by scratcher
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To: scratcher

I did enjoy it! Thanks, scratcher! :)


85 posted on 03/05/2006 12:16:41 PM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: CarrotAndStick

VERY nice pictures...Thanks for posting!!


86 posted on 03/05/2006 12:30:04 PM PST by ATCNavyRetiree (I can most times spot a liberal...they look weak, cowardly and undisciplined.)
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To: voletti

And that contradicts what I posted....HOW? LOL


87 posted on 03/05/2006 2:03:55 PM PST by nopardons
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To: snugs
Late '60s England, was still the cutting edge of fashion, rather than America. What began in the late '50s ( the winkle-picker shoes for guys, and the retro-Regency Fop gear of the white gangs) evolved into the big SWINGING SIXTIES looks that took over the world.

American may have had Rudy Genrick ( sp? ), but it was just knock off SOHO chic. Well, that topless bathing suit excepted.LOL

And though POLO (Ralph Lauren )launched the look in America, in the mid '70s, which soared around the world by the '80s, it was pretty much just a SLOANE RANGER pickoff; excepting his "WESTERN/NAVAJO" look of the late '80s into the '90s.

Rather than "cultural" differences, it's more of a "BEHAVORIAL" difference, between the English and Americans, since we do share so much of the same "CULTURE".

But, yes, I do agree with much of what you've said and many thanks for you kind words about America.

88 posted on 03/05/2006 2:37:31 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Contradict?

Nah, consider it a supporting 'narrative' (am borrowing some progressive lingo).

/have a nice day.


89 posted on 03/05/2006 3:14:06 PM PST by voletti (Awareness and Equanimity.)
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To: voletti
LOL...it was your tone and I specifically implied that you hadn't contradicted me. :-)
90 posted on 03/05/2006 7:40:06 PM PST by nopardons
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To: FairOpinion

I heard that many Republicans don't like Bush's deal with India. Why not? I have no problem giving India whatever it needs to counter the Islamic hordes. The US needs more allies who are actually willing to fight the war on terror. Russia has now indicated it is not interested in the fight. The stronger links the US has to India, the Philippines, Israel, and Australia the better. Old Europe is a write off. We have a good ally in Poland.


91 posted on 03/05/2006 8:27:56 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: dfwgator

LOL LOL LOL


92 posted on 03/05/2006 8:29:18 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: nopardons

Not all of Tocqueville's words were positive though were they? I believe Jules Vernes was another great admirer of the US.


93 posted on 03/05/2006 8:30:44 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: FairOpinion

Time to restate an old tag line of mine:


94 posted on 03/05/2006 8:31:24 PM PST by HungarianGypsy (Are we really arrogant, or are they just jealous of us?)
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To: FairOpinion

You got to know that Pat Buchanan is working his fingers writing a article to bash Bush for not being the good isolationist Pat claims to be. Pat seems to have fallen asleep on Sept 11, 2001, because his version of history is that the US has brought war on the Islamic world.


95 posted on 03/05/2006 8:34:00 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Sam Gamgee
No, they weren't, but few here know that and I didn't want to start a "fight" about that! LOL

Oh yes, Verne...hehehehehehe

96 posted on 03/05/2006 8:37:09 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
This one is interesting and in fact is not what America is about and would characterize post Napoleon France better:

"Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom."

Not sure if this one is meant to be a compliment"

"As one digs deeper into the national character of the Americans, one sees that they have sought the value of everything in this world only in the answer to this single question: how much money will it bring in?"

This is is downright vicious:

"I know of no country in which there is so little independence of mind and real freedom of discussion as in America."

My favourite though is this one:

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money"
97 posted on 03/05/2006 8:46:54 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: HungarianGypsy

"Are we really arrogant, or are they just jealous of us?"


===

Good tagline!


98 posted on 03/05/2006 9:00:11 PM PST by FairOpinion (Real Conservatives do NOT help Dems get elected.)
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To: Sam Gamgee
YIKES! That's some compilation you posted.

I don't know the date of the last one, but I'm guessing that it's hoary with age. That alone, makes it inaccurate.

99 posted on 03/05/2006 9:02:13 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Sam Gamgee

Don't judge most Republicans by Pat Buchanan.

I think most Republicans are very happy with the important relationship Bush has established with India.

There are some who worry about outsourcing, but as Bush said, as people in India getting into the middle class they buy things from us, so ultimately it all goes around.


100 posted on 03/05/2006 9:04:53 PM PST by FairOpinion (Real Conservatives do NOT help Dems get elected.)
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