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The bungling Bush presidency is falling apart
Newsday ^ | March 3, 2006 | James Klurfeld

Posted on 03/03/2006 3:26:40 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4

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To: television is just wrong

100% right on. Every citizen knows that this country is being invaded and changed without their consent and without their reps doing a damn thing about their complaints.

Illegal Invasion is one o the main reasons GWB is in the tank. Its his own fault too. After 9/11, he could have easily tackled this problem with most Americans supporting him.


141 posted on 03/03/2006 7:21:55 AM PST by chris1
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To: dirtboy

Excellent post in its entirety! A keeper.


142 posted on 03/03/2006 7:22:50 AM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
The leftist and media criticism quickly reaches a dead end as soon as it gains a little traction.

The Dems habitually trumpet any missteps in an effort to validate their entire worldview and get the whole ridiculous package of ideas accepted as the default alternative.

As soon as their criticism gains momentum, the question automatically shifts to 'OK, then what instead?' and the people look up and see the Dems ranting on as usual, and respond 'Oh geez, not this shi# again', and Bush hangs on.

As soon as the Dems become part of the issue, their momentum stops, because they disqualify themselves.

143 posted on 03/03/2006 7:23:09 AM PST by Monti Cello
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To: OKIEDOC
What gets my goat is how conservatives can be so easily manipulated by the MSM and a few radical Dimorats

Some conservatives seem to be in "defense" mode. Grandstanding rather than speaking assertively. Maybe they need a vacation. Or maybe they need to get back to their roots as reasonable individuals who are able to wait for people they disagree with to finish a sentence.


144 posted on 03/03/2006 7:25:37 AM PST by syriacus (Hillary says: Millions to China's state-run shippers; not one RED cent to the UAE shippers)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

75% of the public, who he works for, whom pays his paycheck, want something done on this issue. It is destroying neighborhood after neighborhood.

Yet, instead we get utter garbage from his Administration about this issue.


145 posted on 03/03/2006 7:26:11 AM PST by chris1
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
You can't really punish the President for not doing what you want. He is not running for anything. All you can do is weaken him.

Punish? Gawd, if I stand up and say that critical concerns are not being addressed, that's punishment?

The result is domestic enemies in power, and foreign enemies emboldened. Is that your intention or just an unfortunate by-product?

It's not either/or, despite your claims to the contrary. Anyone who takes that approach is trying to prevent honest disagreement - and honest disagreement makes a party stronger, not weaker.

146 posted on 03/03/2006 7:27:43 AM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: gaspar

Not to mention that they cite the bogus CBS poll that is as useless as this article.


147 posted on 03/03/2006 7:28:00 AM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: dirtboy
Doesn't seem like your "honest disagreement" has been prevented.

Tell me how the Republican Party is stronger for all your efforts?

148 posted on 03/03/2006 7:31:32 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

James Klurfeld

WOW..another unbiased MSM can't get over losing kerryite.


149 posted on 03/03/2006 7:35:28 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Doesn't seem like your "honest disagreement" has been prevented.

No, but you treat such as weakening the president when it does not - instead, the president needs to start listening to his base.

Tell me how the Republican Party is stronger for all your efforts?

The GOP is strongest when it engages itself in debate and follows core conservative values. That is why it won elections and the Dems lost ground.

150 posted on 03/03/2006 7:36:39 AM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: dirtboy

So the more you bash the President, the stronger the Republican Party gets?


151 posted on 03/03/2006 7:42:13 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: dirtboy; All
You've articulated one of the best perspectives I've ever seen at FR of explaining the dynamics of "Principle vs. Party," the truth about the effects of President Bush's policies, and the difference between "Bush-hatred" and "legitimate criticism"....

Great job, DB.

152 posted on 03/03/2006 7:45:38 AM PST by F16Fighter (Does everything we've "learned about Islam from 9/11" change with the UAE Port deal?)
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To: dirtboy
Dirtboy, common sense will not effect the Party gestapo here..If bush said he was turning the US military over to the UN they would defend it..The GOP to these folks is more important than the vision of the founding fathers of this country..
153 posted on 03/03/2006 7:48:32 AM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: syriacus
Excellent observation.

I quit the Dimorats for this party and don't plan to give up without a fight.
154 posted on 03/03/2006 7:49:10 AM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
"A huge number of Freepers prefer Hillary to the President.... Check the ports threads."

You apparently live in an Alternative Universe.

155 posted on 03/03/2006 7:49:34 AM PST by F16Fighter (Does everything we've "learned about Islam from 9/11" change with the UAE Port deal?)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
So the more you bash the President, the stronger the Republican Party gets?

Either/or, once again.

Let's put it this way - I and millions of other conservatives have been yelling for some time about spending and illegal immigration. Apparently Bush either doesn't hear us or is unwilling to hear us, probably because the GOP figures we'll just vote for them no matter what they do.

So if the GOP continues to blow us off over illegal immigration, it will have left us no choice but to leave the party over illegal immigration, they only have themselves to blame. Public support for dealing with illegal immigration is overwhelming - and when elected officials ignore such broad public sentiment, they deserve to be voted out of power as a result.

156 posted on 03/03/2006 7:53:45 AM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: F16Fighter
And the rhetoric flows in aid of the enemy...

(Grab handle)

(apply downward force)

(hear flushing sound)

157 posted on 03/03/2006 7:53:51 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Pat Buchanan............A principled pessimist with a pessimistic principal)
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To: dirtboy

OK,all your "legitimate criticism" strengthens the Republican Party, but if the President fails to do what you want you and millions of others are going to leave the Party over illegal immigration, but that still strengthens the Republican Party?


158 posted on 03/03/2006 7:59:05 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: dirtboy
and my position opposing such has softened since the story first broke to where I am neutral instead of opposed.

It's obvious that you are an honest individual who deserves a lot of pats on your back.

Some anti-DPW folks, who should have known better, who have been appearing on TV and radio, have played, very publicly, right into the Democrats' hands. They are now trying to pretend they have been moderate all along.

King (and Hannity) should have sent a clearer message that they wanted more investigation, rather than immediately reacting to all the anti-DPW misinformation by 1) stepping up on their soapboxes and 2) giving the whole world the impression that they thought the deal was a totally bad idea.

Hannity has become so defensive about his position that, while speaking yesterday to the young man who taped his teacher, Hannity just had to take the opportunity to portray himself as a victim.

Meanwhile, the Democrats have been eagerly citing Peter King's comments as "proof" that the deal is bad (i.e., proof that the Bush administration is bad).

159 posted on 03/03/2006 7:59:11 AM PST by syriacus (Hillary says: Millions to China's state-run shippers; not one RED cent to the UAE shippers)
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To: F16Fighter
Thanks for the kind words.

The answer for the Bush Admin and their supporters is not to attack those who helped vote them into office. All we seem to be hit with now is the claim that opposing what Bush and the GOP are doing will put Hillary into office. In other words, they are already running against her as a rationale to cow critics back into following the party line.

But it's nearly impossible to win an election by running against the other candidate. The GOP has to articulate what it stands for, and quit trampling over the legitimate concerns of broad sections of its base. If they fail to do such, they only have themselves to blame if they lose in 2006 and 2008.

The GOP has been blessed by the ineptness of their opponents. But that advantage is negated if they start acting even more inept than the Dems.

160 posted on 03/03/2006 7:59:39 AM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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