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Information Warfare: Venezuela Versus the Dutch (Dutch sends warning message to Hugo Chavez)
Strategy Page ^ | 2006 Mar 1

Posted on 03/01/2006 8:12:07 AM PST by Wiz

March 1, 2006: Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez has been making noises about running the Dutch out of nearby Caribbean islands, areas that the Netherlands have owned for centuries. In response, the Dutch are trying to orchestrate a suitable, and scary, message for Chavez. The Dutch are trying to get the United States to make a port call with an aircraft carrier, and its accompanying warships, at one of their Caribbean islands. This would be part of a series of "messages" that they're sending to Venezuela. An additional "message" is an invitation to the Venezuelans to take part in a navy/marine exercise that the Dutch are going to run in the Caribbean later this year.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gwot; hugoping; netherlands; venezuela
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To: Wiz
From Dutch Navy

HMNLS Zuiderkruis A-832
HMNLS Tromp F-801
HMNLS Van Speijk F-828
HMNLS Blois Van Treslong F-824 #2
HMNLS Pieter Florisz F-826
HMNLS Van Der Zaan F-829
HMNLS Van Galen F-834 #2
HMNLS Witte De With F-813
HMNLS Van Heemskerke F-812 #2
Van Speijk & Van Der Zaan
HMNLS Zeeleeuw SSK #2

21 posted on 03/01/2006 8:40:19 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: DOGEY

If I had to bet on the Dutch or the French against Huey, I'd pick the Dutch.


22 posted on 03/01/2006 8:40:22 AM PST by fishtank
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To: Wiz
They don't need our fleet, just ban Venezuelan flagged ships from the port of Amsterdam.
23 posted on 03/01/2006 8:40:26 AM PST by mmercier (suck it up cupcake)
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To: knighthawk

ping


24 posted on 03/01/2006 8:40:51 AM PST by Wiz (News hyaena providing you news with spice of acid)
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To: Physicist
That's the proper way to go about it; the Monroe Doctrine still applies.

Do you think it would be proper for us to ask if they want to go "Dutch treat" on the operational expenses for a carrier battle group for the duration of the exercise?

Regards,
GtG

25 posted on 03/01/2006 8:40:51 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: DOGEY

France could help!! France is busy towing that defunct aircraft carrier back to the home country for destruction - why don't they tow it to the Carribean instead and anchor it there to intimidate Chavez??? ha ha ha.....


26 posted on 03/01/2006 8:41:34 AM PST by Enchante (Democrats: "We are ALL broken and worn out, our party & ideas, what else is new?")
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
HMNLS Van Galen F-834

This is the Van Galen. Supposedly, they might be getting David Lee Roth back on board again....

27 posted on 03/01/2006 8:44:09 AM PST by fishtank
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To: fishtank

Here you go...

http://www.freewebz.com/jeffhead/worldwideaircraftcarriers/index.htm


28 posted on 03/01/2006 8:44:26 AM PST by fredo1070 (I know it was you, Fredo. You broke my heart.)
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To: fishtank

Actually, Hugo has put a bug in the ear of the Argentine President about the Falklands. Despite the 1982 "war", Argentina still claims the Maldive Islands as their own. They've built up their air force to about twice what they had in '82 and have been probing the radar screen set up by the British. They've also been apprehending British fishing boats which they say have strayed into their territorial waters.
We live in interesting times.


29 posted on 03/01/2006 8:45:36 AM PST by oldfart ("All governments and all civilizations fall... eventually. Our government is not immune.)
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To: Wiz

And we should ask about their help in Iraq-Afghanistan, and elsewhere around the world in winning the WOT.


30 posted on 03/01/2006 8:46:39 AM PST by right right
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To: fishtank
Don't the Dutch have aircraft carriers?

No they don't. Very few countries do. Other than the US only, United States, United Kingdom, France, India, Russia, Spain, Brazil, Italy and Thailand. Spain, Italy, India, Thailand, and the UK only have Harrier Carriers. The Russians only have one CTOL carrier, and I don't know if it's operational.

31 posted on 03/01/2006 8:48:19 AM PST by El Gato
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To: oldfart

As I recall from reading about the Falklands Island War, the Argentinian Air Force was the only branch of their armed forces to show any fighting ability or spirit.

I still remember some older footage of Argentine A-4's flying real low (weaving and turning, trying to do their bomb runs) amongst the British ships anchored in Falkland Sound.


32 posted on 03/01/2006 8:51:46 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: oldfart
Argentina still claims the Maldive Islands as their own

Islas Malvinas, not Maldive Islands, which are in the Arabian sea, not the South Atlantic like the Falklands/Malvinas.

33 posted on 03/01/2006 8:51:51 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Wiz
Scary message from the Dutch, eh? .... hmmm it doesnt involve pastries does it?

ha if Hugo even tries something, Dutch knows we got their back.
34 posted on 03/01/2006 8:51:58 AM PST by Element187
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To: fishtank

No.

They have some quite new and shiny ships - but they are a bit under-equipped to defend their islands.

4 submarines some old fregates and 4 new fregates that are more or less destroyers by their role.

But they are embedded in several multi-lateral defence treaties. Like NATO.

So they kind of - have carriers.


35 posted on 03/01/2006 8:55:42 AM PST by globalheater (There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare - Sun Tzu)
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To: fishtank

Frigates and Walrus class Subs. Oh, and the US Navy via NATO.


36 posted on 03/01/2006 8:57:20 AM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: globalheater

But they wouldn't need them...

the venezuelan navys bigger ships are a submarines 1 Week job (if it's a 688 or virgina class probably less)


37 posted on 03/01/2006 8:59:27 AM PST by globalheater (There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare - Sun Tzu)
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To: fishtank
This could be yummy. I'd love to see a repeat of the Falklands war: Holland vs. Venezuela.

Sounds like a soccer match....

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Well, we'll just have to see what we can do....how many KIA on each side would make you happy?

38 posted on 03/01/2006 9:00:30 AM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: Wiz
It is most definitely in our interests to stand by our NATO ally and resist aggression by the Castroite Chavez.
39 posted on 03/01/2006 9:04:03 AM PST by colorado tanker (We need more "chicken-bleep Democrats" in the Senate!)
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To: globalheater

Yes, the NATO link is key.

That, and I like to think we'd be quick to take advantage of a provocation by Hugo, of this nature.


40 posted on 03/01/2006 9:04:37 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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