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Bush disagrees with South Dakota abortion ban
AFP ^ | 1 March 2006

Posted on 02/28/2006 6:36:43 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

US President George W. Bush signalled his opposition to a South Dakota abortion ban that forbids the procedure even in cases of rape or incest, saying he favors such exceptions.

But Bush declined to predict the outcome of any legal challenges to the legislation, which would make it illegal to terminate a pregnancy except in rare cases when it may be necessary to save the life of the mother.

"That, of course, is a state law, but my position has always been three exceptions: Rape, incest, and the life of the mother," the US president told ABC news in an interview.

Asked whether he would include "health" of the mother, Bush replied: "I said life of the mother, and health is a very vague term, but my position has been clear on that ever since I started running for office."

The bill, which recently gained final approval from South Dakota's House of Representatives, directly contradicts the precedent set in 1973 when the US Supreme Court ruled that bans on abortion violate a woman's constitutional right to privacy.

The bill grants no allowances for women who have been raped or are victims of incest. Doctors who perform abortion would be charged with a crime. It also prohibits the sale of emergency contraception and asserts that life begins at fertilization.

The governor of South Dakota has indicated he is likely to sign the bill.

A leading pro-choice advocacy group has already vowed to challenge the ban in federal court. But that seems to be exactly what many promoters of the legislation seek.

Advocates of the ban do not deny they aim much higher than South Dakota, a rural and socially conservative state, which even today has only one abortion clinic.

Instead, they are hoping the bill will offer a full frontal assault on legal abortions now that the balance of power in the Supreme Court appears to have shifted with the confirmation of conservative jurists John Roberts and Samuel Alito, both of whom are seen as pro-life.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionban; deadbabies; freepertimewarp; incest; misleadingheadline; presidentbush; rape; readthearticle; southdakota
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To: Reactionary

Ditto's. Bush is correct.


841 posted on 03/01/2006 4:31:07 AM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: Aussie Dasher

I don't agree with the President on this (I only support abortion in the event that the life of the mother is in jeopardy), but I can't bash him for his personal beliefs. He has been, largely, pro-life and he has kept his promise to us on the courts. He delivered with Roberts and Alito, and it took a man to admit his mistake with Miers and come back with Alito afterwards.

Ultimately, the best that we can hope for is leaders like the President who recognize that the Constitution does NOT guarantee a right to an abortion, and that, regardless of whether he agrees with the law, South Dakota is perfectly entitled to enact a law that bans all abortions other than those where the life of the mother is in jeopardy.

Also, kudos to the President for recognizing the "health" exception trap that the liberals like to use. "Health" is so broad and vague as to be meaningless.


842 posted on 03/01/2006 4:34:46 AM PST by Deo et Patria (Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: muawiyah
"Actually, if ya' jus' gotta' kill somebody why not take the rapist out and execute him."

In the Old Testament, this is exactly what would have happened. The rapist would have been stoned and the child and his/her mother would have lived.

Today we murder the innocent and protect the guilty in way too many cases.

843 posted on 03/01/2006 4:35:34 AM PST by TruthSetsUFree
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To: Cicero
Meanwhile, the headline is misleading. Bush is simply giving his own position, when pressed by some trouble-making interviewer. He is not telling South Dakota what sort of laws they should pass.

Amamzing how some people can be played like a violin by a misleading headline in the liberal media.

844 posted on 03/01/2006 4:40:27 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Peach
Making a woman carry the result of a rape is obscene.

You have been ignoring the child's side this thread. I guess killing a child is not obscene in your book.

To quote someone from earlier in the thread:

"FReeper, please."

845 posted on 03/01/2006 4:43:19 AM PST by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: ksen

Hon, go away. You couldn't even articulate the difference between a headline and the president's consistent message.


846 posted on 03/01/2006 4:44:33 AM PST by Peach
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To: DameAutour
The key in your statement is "on THIS thread."

Anecdotal evidence of this type is worthless.

847 posted on 03/01/2006 4:46:02 AM PST by wireman
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To: Aussie Dasher

He should have just said, "It is up to the States to set abortion law, not the Supreme Court."


848 posted on 03/01/2006 4:51:06 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: RebekahT
States have to obey the Supreme Court.

States have to obey the Constitution.

849 posted on 03/01/2006 4:52:17 AM PST by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: Aussie Dasher
He's been underwhelming me since Meirs. This is the latest stupidity.
850 posted on 03/01/2006 4:52:22 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: Hildy
I'm sorry, I know how alot of you feel, but to make a woman carry a baby conceived from rape is so incredibly wrong.

Not really. The woman will have to live the rest of her life knowing not only that she was raped, but that she killed her baby. The first act is easier to bear psychologically, since it was not her choice.

And of course, the baby is wholly innocent, and should not be put to death for the crime of another.

851 posted on 03/01/2006 4:52:55 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Lion Den Dan
I wonder what the baby thinks about all this?

Baby? Don't you know this is about the woman's feelings to the exclusion of everything else?

852 posted on 03/01/2006 4:54:40 AM PST by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: AppyPappy
So if a man doesn't consent to the creation of his child, he can absolve himself of all responsibility?

Whoa whoa whoa! Hold on, let's not get all crazy now!

Remeber, this is all about the woman? The men/husbands are just supposed to shut up if their child is killed or provide cash if it is not.

853 posted on 03/01/2006 4:59:43 AM PST by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: Peach
He is NOT voicing opposition to a state's abortion ban.

From the first line of the story:

US President George W. Bush signalled his opposition to a South Dakota abortion ban....

Hmm, I guess I'm not the one with a reading comprehension problem.

854 posted on 03/01/2006 5:04:05 AM PST by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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I will weigh in on this debate, but only to this extent: President Bush is not inconsistent just b/c he believes abortion is the taking of a human life while he agrees with legal exceptions for rape and incest.

On the former he is taking the correct scientific and moral position as to what constitutes human life.

I disagree with those who say it is not taking human life if it is a first trimester abortion. Or a morning after pill...whatever. But with all things you have to look at the possible, which is what Bush is doing. Most abortions are not because of rape and incest. Outlawing most abortions would be a tremendous advance. Nobody else has come close to getting this done since Roe.

Bush knows that outlawing all abortions except for life of the mother would be a poison pill and doom chances everywhere of drastically limiting abortions. If he disagrees with the SD bill, that is why. It is not b/c he thinks every rape and incest case should end in abortion. He just is not willing to propose a LAW OF THE LAND at this point to outlaw abortion even in such cases. For very real and valid pragmatic reasons.

Again, it is not that he favors abortion in such cases. There is a huge difference, whether some of you people want to admit it or not.


855 posted on 03/01/2006 5:04:43 AM PST by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: ksen

You're right. Sorry.

Some freepers were expounding last night that the president has turned on his base, and he's always held out that exceptions should be made.


856 posted on 03/01/2006 5:05:59 AM PST by Peach
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To: Peach
Hon, go away.

My going away will not change the fact that you have consistently ignored that there is an innocent child involved in all of this.

But, that child must be sacrificed at the altar of a woman's feelings.

857 posted on 03/01/2006 5:06:34 AM PST by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: ksen

You'll not change my mind about this and I have no desire to change yours.

If you have a problem with it, take it up with the president. I'm proud to stand with him and agree with his comments about exceptions.


858 posted on 03/01/2006 5:07:47 AM PST by Peach
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To: ohioWfan

Care to comment?


859 posted on 03/01/2006 5:08:16 AM PST by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: Peach
You're right. Sorry. Some freepers were expounding last night that the president has turned on his base, and he's always held out that exceptions should be made.

.....

You know what Peach? I'm sorry too. I apologize for my combativeness toward you. This is an issue that gets a person's blood up and things get said in a way they normally wouldn't say them.

So I'm sorry for posting to you in a jerky manner.

I still disagree with you, but I think I can express it better than I have the last couple of posts.

860 posted on 03/01/2006 5:10:14 AM PST by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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