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Bush disagrees with South Dakota abortion ban
AFP ^ | 1 March 2006

Posted on 02/28/2006 6:36:43 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

US President George W. Bush signalled his opposition to a South Dakota abortion ban that forbids the procedure even in cases of rape or incest, saying he favors such exceptions.

But Bush declined to predict the outcome of any legal challenges to the legislation, which would make it illegal to terminate a pregnancy except in rare cases when it may be necessary to save the life of the mother.

"That, of course, is a state law, but my position has always been three exceptions: Rape, incest, and the life of the mother," the US president told ABC news in an interview.

Asked whether he would include "health" of the mother, Bush replied: "I said life of the mother, and health is a very vague term, but my position has been clear on that ever since I started running for office."

The bill, which recently gained final approval from South Dakota's House of Representatives, directly contradicts the precedent set in 1973 when the US Supreme Court ruled that bans on abortion violate a woman's constitutional right to privacy.

The bill grants no allowances for women who have been raped or are victims of incest. Doctors who perform abortion would be charged with a crime. It also prohibits the sale of emergency contraception and asserts that life begins at fertilization.

The governor of South Dakota has indicated he is likely to sign the bill.

A leading pro-choice advocacy group has already vowed to challenge the ban in federal court. But that seems to be exactly what many promoters of the legislation seek.

Advocates of the ban do not deny they aim much higher than South Dakota, a rural and socially conservative state, which even today has only one abortion clinic.

Instead, they are hoping the bill will offer a full frontal assault on legal abortions now that the balance of power in the Supreme Court appears to have shifted with the confirmation of conservative jurists John Roberts and Samuel Alito, both of whom are seen as pro-life.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionban; deadbabies; freepertimewarp; incest; misleadingheadline; presidentbush; rape; readthearticle; southdakota
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To: nickcarraway
In the case of rape, it's usually the perpetrator who wants the abortion. The victims want to have the child, and it's usually their only way out of the situation. The perpetrator wants to "destroy the evidence." It's great we are so sensitive to the needs of those who commit incest.

I've got to call 'BS' on this one. You can still get DNA evidence from an aborted fetus/baby. So no evidence is being destroyed.

I can see a rape victim not wanting to carry the baby to term, as it would be a constant reminder of the episode of rape.

I've heard, and somewhat agree with the sentiment of "why punish the baby for the rapist's crime?" But I still would have to side with the rape victim should she choose to abort.

Perhaps a system (not to trivialize rape or abortion) similar to a car insurance claim? If the victim reports the rape to the police within a certain time frame, then abortion is an option.

I haven't thought this option through thoroughly, so don't slam me too quickly.

81 posted on 02/28/2006 6:57:41 PM PST by Washi
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To: Aussie Dasher

Are you a man? I suspect so. That's so easy for you to say.


82 posted on 02/28/2006 6:57:48 PM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: Aussie Dasher

"Rape, incest, and the life of the mother,"

Kill the rapist. Spare the child.


83 posted on 02/28/2006 6:58:16 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Cicero

Why kill the baby when it is completely innocent but the mother will die then?


84 posted on 02/28/2006 6:58:17 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: EGPWS

The abortion issue should be simple. Do you believe a fetus is a human or not. If so then you should be against it in all cases, if not, then you should be pro choice.

In the orginal post it said it would ban emergency contraceptive, is that true? Because the morning after pill is NOT abortion, it acts like(and is the same chemical as )regular birth control bills, by preventing the release of an egg,


85 posted on 02/28/2006 6:58:28 PM PST by RHINO369
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To: Darkwolf377

Sigh. It has nothing to do with how I feel. Killing innocent children is wrong. Period. I don't care if the other side thinks that I am looney for pointing this out to them. As long as children are being dismembered we must speak out against it.


86 posted on 02/28/2006 6:58:40 PM PST by frankiep
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To: Hildy

As I said, I can view it objectively.


87 posted on 02/28/2006 6:58:40 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: buffmonster

Did you even vote for Bush?


88 posted on 02/28/2006 6:58:41 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: jveritas
If you wife, sister or daughter got raped by a thug do you want them to carry the child?

Yes, especially since abortion adds to the trama and psychological damage of the rape. The idea that committing murder is somehow going to help a rape victim has got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

No how about you answer my question: Why do you want to punish the child for the sins of the Father?

89 posted on 02/28/2006 6:58:53 PM PST by curiosity
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To: MNJohnnie
You're correct about there being no "vast majority" which is why on such an important issue the president's duty here is to keep the boat steady so laws can be passed slowly, so there is a concensus built. I don't believe that's how he should act on every issue, but on this one there is a need to go carefully. Why? So when the day comes when we are restricting certain kinds of abortions, the American people will have followed the logic and accept it.

Some here would be very surprised, I think, at the number of non-conservative young people who find abortion repulsive. If they see it gradually restricted--as opposed to one fell swoop--I think they can be brought along.

90 posted on 02/28/2006 6:59:01 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (No respect for conservatives? That's free speech. No respect for liberals? That's hate speech.)
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To: Hildy
So, the morning after pill is ok by you? So as long as you don't know about the baby, right? Interesting.

Did I ever say it was OK with me.

I'm just defending the bill.

And while I do not defend the morning after pill, I do think it would be a less gruesome choice than stopping a beating heart (heart beats start at 21 days)

91 posted on 02/28/2006 6:59:14 PM PST by NeoCaveman (The shark has been jumped)
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To: buffmonster
Hello Newbie

Your stay here won't last long.

92 posted on 02/28/2006 6:59:23 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Pat Buchanan lost a family member in the holocaust. The man fell out of a guard tower.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

A South Dakota FReeper (sorry I don't recall their screen name) said the other day this bill would NOT end abortions, that it was so badly worded and rushed through the legislature, that probably even the legislators have no clue what the bill entails.


93 posted on 02/28/2006 6:59:31 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Kill the rapist. Spare the child.

BTTT

94 posted on 02/28/2006 6:59:49 PM PST by NeoCaveman (The shark has been jumped)
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To: jveritas
It is so easy to say it when typing on a keyboard!

It's so easy to talk about someone's wife, sister, or daughter being raped when you're sitting in front of a keyboard, you mean -- that is extremely rude at the very least, bring up that kind of fun hypothetical to someone's face you might not like the consequences.

But the anger one should feel when someone they love is raped is properly directed toward the rapist, not toward killing the innocent baby.

95 posted on 02/28/2006 7:00:04 PM PST by JohnnyZ (Happy New Year! Breed like dogs!)
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To: Darkwolf377

the extreme position would be to ban abortion in every case." Life" of the mother is a bigger loophole than you seem to concede. It would cover all medical emergencies. Rape, incest, and certain "health" are all pure judgement calls.


96 posted on 02/28/2006 7:00:17 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: MNJohnnie

We will see who is lying come November. By then everyone running for office will be running away from South Dakota's ban on Abortion.


97 posted on 02/28/2006 7:00:26 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: jveritas
Why are you against abortion in case of insect or rape?

Because the child is innocent and does not deserve to be murdered for the sins of his or her father.

98 posted on 02/28/2006 7:00:31 PM PST by curiosity
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To: buffmonster
Except the Whine All the Time crowd was never on our side to start with. They like to claim they are but their actions speak far louder then their words.

They have always been the political fringes and merely look for the next excuse to whine about Bush. They like to pretend to be the base but in reality the daily whiners have never been on our side. When all they do is whine about everything, no one has any need to pay any attention to them. If it was not this, it would be something else they would be whining about. The fact is all this chest thumbing by self proclaimed "members of the base" is demonstrated to be fraud by their 100% opposition to Bush NO MATTER what the topic. This "oh you are alienating the base" is just more nonsense from the 100%ers. If not this, it would be somethingelse they would whine on.

99 posted on 02/28/2006 7:00:50 PM PST by MNJohnnie ("Good men don't wait for the polls. They stand on principle and fight."-Soul Seeker)
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To: frankiep
Sigh. It has nothing to do with how I feel. Killing innocent children is wrong. Period. I don't care if the other side thinks that I am looney for pointing this out to them. As long as children are being dismembered we must speak out against it.

Who said we shouldn't?

If you feel good talking in such a way that perpetuates abortion, while a calmer approach would lead to STOPPING abortions, then you're sacrificing justice for personal vanity.

No thanks--I'd rather end abortion than beat my chest and tell everyone how moral I was.

100 posted on 02/28/2006 7:01:07 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (No respect for conservatives? That's free speech. No respect for liberals? That's hate speech.)
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