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Bush disagrees with South Dakota abortion ban
AFP ^ | 1 March 2006

Posted on 02/28/2006 6:36:43 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

US President George W. Bush signalled his opposition to a South Dakota abortion ban that forbids the procedure even in cases of rape or incest, saying he favors such exceptions.

But Bush declined to predict the outcome of any legal challenges to the legislation, which would make it illegal to terminate a pregnancy except in rare cases when it may be necessary to save the life of the mother.

"That, of course, is a state law, but my position has always been three exceptions: Rape, incest, and the life of the mother," the US president told ABC news in an interview.

Asked whether he would include "health" of the mother, Bush replied: "I said life of the mother, and health is a very vague term, but my position has been clear on that ever since I started running for office."

The bill, which recently gained final approval from South Dakota's House of Representatives, directly contradicts the precedent set in 1973 when the US Supreme Court ruled that bans on abortion violate a woman's constitutional right to privacy.

The bill grants no allowances for women who have been raped or are victims of incest. Doctors who perform abortion would be charged with a crime. It also prohibits the sale of emergency contraception and asserts that life begins at fertilization.

The governor of South Dakota has indicated he is likely to sign the bill.

A leading pro-choice advocacy group has already vowed to challenge the ban in federal court. But that seems to be exactly what many promoters of the legislation seek.

Advocates of the ban do not deny they aim much higher than South Dakota, a rural and socially conservative state, which even today has only one abortion clinic.

Instead, they are hoping the bill will offer a full frontal assault on legal abortions now that the balance of power in the Supreme Court appears to have shifted with the confirmation of conservative jurists John Roberts and Samuel Alito, both of whom are seen as pro-life.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionban; deadbabies; freepertimewarp; incest; misleadingheadline; presidentbush; rape; readthearticle; southdakota
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To: Hildy

Also, there is a former Republican congressman from IA named Jim Ross Lightfoot who was conceived in a rape and freely discusses this.


581 posted on 02/28/2006 8:42:11 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Hildy
Do you care about anyone's feelings or life except that of unborn children?

Only the unborn child cannot speak for herself. Some zealot must step in to speak for her.

582 posted on 02/28/2006 8:42:20 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: jdm

LOL!!!

EXACTLY!!

LOL!

GREAT MOVIE!


583 posted on 02/28/2006 8:42:20 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Seeking to marry a RICH MALE CHAUVANIST PIG! Cedar Dave admits to being 2 of the 4!)
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To: DuckFan4ever
Because it wasn't free will. God gave us free will and any child born of this is not a child born of love. That child would be forever ostracized and never be loved the way he/she should be. The rape/incest victim should be made whole immediately by removing the spawn of evil. Rape/incest spawn are losing propositions.

Dr. Mengele? Is that you?

584 posted on 02/28/2006 8:42:29 PM PST by TigersEye (Walk as if your footsteps shake the world.)
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To: eeevil conservative

I have to admit that I really am shocked at how many people are spouting the feminazi, pro-abortion line on this subject. A reasonable debate can be had. But the following are NOT legitimate arguments:

"You have no right to speak on this. You're a MAN!" (How can a FREEPER lower themselves to such a pathetic argument? I'm a woman, so maybe they'll debate it with me...right)

"Wait until someone you care about is raped!" (Since when do we decide right and wrong based on how it effects us personally? And hey guess what, I've known more than one woman who was raped, two of whom became pregnant and gave birth. So maybe they'll debate it with me...right)

"Only a woman can decide if it is a life or not. If she says it is a life, then it can't be killed. If she says no, then kill it." (This could come straight from Planned Parenthood.)


585 posted on 02/28/2006 8:42:42 PM PST by DameAutour (I'm uniquely one of us and one of them.)
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To: lesser_satan

Thanks : )


586 posted on 02/28/2006 8:43:08 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: muawiyah
Just telling you that it goes on.... Amazing isn't it?

I'm sure it does, and yes, it is amazing.

588 posted on 02/28/2006 8:43:59 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: DameAutour

BRAVO!

Very well put....

shame isn't it....


589 posted on 02/28/2006 8:44:10 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Seeking to marry a RICH MALE CHAUVANIST PIG! Cedar Dave admits to being 2 of the 4!)
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To: Aussie Dasher
With all the heat he's feeling over the ports, I just thought it might have been smarter not to reignite the "exceptions" argument.

Yes, I agree, but the problem is, he was asked in an interview.

590 posted on 02/28/2006 8:44:39 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Petronski

huh? WOW... you put it much better than I did!

:-)


591 posted on 02/28/2006 8:44:56 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Seeking to marry a RICH MALE CHAUVANIST PIG! Cedar Dave admits to being 2 of the 4!)
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To: jdm

looking at this I think there about 4 camps on this particular issue

1. The "Morally Consistant".(detractors could call them extremist or zealots)
Abortion is wrong no matter what. An innocent baby should be allowed to live no matter what the circumstances.

2. The "Reasonable Exceptionist".(detractors could call them hypocrites or frauds)
Abortion is wrong, except in the extreme cases of Rape, Incest, or when the Mother's life is truly in danger.

3. The Calculators (detractors could call them opportunists)
Abortion is either wrong or right...depending on how it will afffect my parties position or my chances for re-election.

4. The Pro-Abortionist (detractors could call them baby-killers)
Abortion is perfectly fine, in fact, it's actually a good thing.

I see myself in camp 2, understanding fully well that I open myself up to charges of being a fraud on the issue. It's just where I am. I am at peace with it.

Others may find themselves somewhere else on this spectrum...


592 posted on 02/28/2006 8:47:00 PM PST by Will_Zurmacht
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To: eeevil conservative

Think of me after I've been banned.

;O|


593 posted on 02/28/2006 8:47:34 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski

I can't help but laugh....

I picture some very angry FReeping women pounding keys to no end,.... thinking if they could just change one mind to justify their stand.. it will somehoe ease the pain.....

I would cry it is so sad... but I have been there done that.... it is a personal battle within that I can do nothing about...


594 posted on 02/28/2006 8:48:09 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Seeking to marry a RICH MALE CHAUVANIST PIG! Cedar Dave admits to being 2 of the 4!)
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To: Aussie Dasher
With all the heat he's feeling over the ports, I just thought it might have been smarter not to reignite the "exceptions" argument.

Do you think it's possible that it's no accident that he was asked this question just now and the press decided it was worth reporting...just now? I mean, after all, who can say when Dick Cheney will go hunting again?

595 posted on 02/28/2006 8:48:26 PM PST by TigersEye (Walk as if your footsteps shake the world.)
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To: Petronski

LOL!

I will lobby on your behalf... someone had to say it....


596 posted on 02/28/2006 8:48:57 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Seeking to marry a RICH MALE CHAUVANIST PIG! Cedar Dave admits to being 2 of the 4!)
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To: SouthernFreebird
Lets get a grip, rape is traumatic no doubt. But if you allow the rape to lead you to kill your baby then you have allowed the rapists to invade your soul and steal that part that separates us from them. We have the ability to have compassion and empathy for other humans, if we give that up in our quest to kill what was created in us then you will never heal from the rape.You have only succeeded in allowing it to alter your humanity.

Well said.

597 posted on 02/28/2006 8:49:09 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Petronski; eeevil conservative

You're so spirited petronski.


598 posted on 02/28/2006 8:49:51 PM PST by cyborg (I just love that man.)
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To: FreeReign

ditto


599 posted on 02/28/2006 8:50:20 PM PST by eeevil conservative (Seeking to marry a RICH MALE CHAUVANIST PIG! Cedar Dave admits to being 2 of the 4!)
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To: TigersEye

WE shouldn't rule out that possibility!


600 posted on 02/28/2006 8:50:34 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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