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Utah House kills evolution bill
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 28 February 2006 | JENNIFER DOBNER

Posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry

House lawmakers scuttled a bill that would have required public school students to be told that evolution is not empirically proven - the latest setback for critics of evolution.

The bill's sponsor, Republican state Sen. Chris Buttars, had said it was time to rein in teachers who were teaching that man descended from apes and rattling the faith of students. The Senate earlier passed the measure 16-12.

But the bill failed in the House on a 28-46 vote Monday. The bill would have required teachers to tell students that evolution is not a fact and the state doesn't endorse the theory.

Rep. Scott Wyatt, a Republican, said he feared passing the bill would force the state to then address hundreds of other scientific theories - "from Quantum physics to Freud" - in the same manner.

"I would leave you with two questions," Wyatt said. "If we decide to weigh in on this part, are we going to begin weighing in on all the others and are we the correct body to do that?"

Buttars said he didn't believe the defeat means that most House members think Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is correct.

"I don't believe that anybody in there really wants their kids to be taught that their great-grandfather was an ape," Buttars said.

The vote represents the latest loss for critics of evolution. In December, a federal judge barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in high school biology classes.

Also last year, a federal judge ordered the school system in suburban Atlanta's Cobb County to remove from biology textbooks stickers that called evolution a theory, not a fact.

Earlier this year, a rural California school district canceled an elective philosophy course on intelligent design and agreed never to promote the topic in class again.

But critics of evolution got a boost in Kansas in November when the state Board of Education adopted new science teaching standards that treat evolution as a flawed theory, defying the view of science groups.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: biofraud; crevolist; scienceeducation
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To: Junior

Is there an echo in here?


641 posted on 02/28/2006 5:57:34 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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Creationist as Whining Martyr Placemarker
642 posted on 02/28/2006 5:58:29 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: whattajoke; zeeba neighba
You are evil.

I didn't bring judgment upon those people. That was God's call. So if you are going to call someone evil, you should redirect your invective to the right party.

I'm just not going to judge God for his decision. As the Bible says, his judgments are righteous. Mine aren't. Neither are yours. Get a grip.

643 posted on 02/28/2006 5:59:27 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
Now you are evil. I don"t know, I think I'm still ahead.
644 posted on 02/28/2006 6:01:15 PM PST by zeeba neighba (What I'm reading now: The Professor and the Big Bologny Sandwich: read the book to see who chokes!)
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To: zeeba neighba

Yeah, that's what I hear.


645 posted on 02/28/2006 6:01:33 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: pby

It used to be my tagline.


646 posted on 02/28/2006 6:01:40 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: js1138
Perhaps someone who's good at math can solve this conundrum. Find the secret source of water sufficient to cover the highest mountain.

A creationist recently suggested (in apparent seriousness) that the oceans had a lot of water, so they might be the source.

647 posted on 02/28/2006 6:03:09 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Coyoteman
So you are saying that there is no allegory, or parable, involved?

If you read the context, it is clear that if he was not referencing an actual event (the flood), then he was a liar.

648 posted on 02/28/2006 6:03:09 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: zeeba neighba

It's the same with Genesis, don't you agree?


649 posted on 02/28/2006 6:03:12 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse; P-Marlowe

I had a dog I had to put down a few months back. It had killed a few other animals. I then burned the body on a pyre.

Was that hiding evidence of a murder?

Or is it possible for me to put a dog down and it not be murder?


650 posted on 02/28/2006 6:03:56 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Pray for Our Troops!)
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To: P-Marlowe

"If you read the context, it is clear that if he was not referencing an actual event (the flood), then he was a liar."

Or he was misquoted.


651 posted on 02/28/2006 6:04:20 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: zeeba neighba

Who's to say I don't understand theology. You'd be surprised.


652 posted on 02/28/2006 6:04:38 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: From many - one.

Keep your friends close, and your anemones closer.


653 posted on 02/28/2006 6:05:16 PM PST by Ken H
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To: zeeba neighba
Now you are evil. I don"t know, I think I'm still ahead.

I'd say we're tied.

654 posted on 02/28/2006 6:05:32 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: xzins

"Or is it possible for me to put a dog down and it not be murder?"

Is that really the same as killing little children in a worldwide flood because you screwed up in your creation?


655 posted on 02/28/2006 6:06:24 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: phantomworker; AmishDude

AmishDude needs this one.

Oh, yeah... and the other folks at the cafe knew there were 17 people aready in the house arguing about evolution.


656 posted on 02/28/2006 6:07:10 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; zeeba neighba
Or he was misquoted.

Then his disciples were liars and Jesus was an idiot for picking them.

You can't have Jesus as Lord and not believe that Noah's flood was an actual event. Jesus didn't leave you that option.

Either he was a fraud or he was the Truth. Take your pick.

657 posted on 02/28/2006 6:08:19 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe

"Then his disciples were liars and Jesus was an idiot for picking them."

Or they were misquoted.


658 posted on 02/28/2006 6:09:03 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: PatrickHenry; js1138

A creationist recently suggested (in apparent seriousness) that the oceans had a lot of water, so they might be the source.

Well, if the ID'er made water compressible for awhile....

660 posted on 02/28/2006 6:10:33 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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