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Utah House kills evolution bill
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 28 February 2006 | JENNIFER DOBNER

Posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: Elsie

No, I've just been watching free radicals making speeches.


361 posted on 02/28/2006 12:27:48 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: P-Marlowe
It is just as easily explained by common design as common descent.

No it isn't. Common design fails to account for the parts I bolded in that post, namely the fact that ERVs in two Asian species of ape will inevitably be found in all African apes, including ourselves.

Since the Asian environment differs from the African one by having different foods, predators, diseases, and parasites, one (or at least I) would think that if two things were designed for the Asian environment, they would have more in common with each other than they would with things designed for Africa.

But the genetics says that's not the way it is.

How does design account for this in any but the most banal "that's just the way the designer did it" way?

More importantly, for advancing ID to the status of a theory, it must make predictions about what to expect when other families, orders, etc have their genes sequenced.

So far, nothing.

362 posted on 02/28/2006 12:28:55 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

Ring, ring.

363 posted on 02/28/2006 12:30:03 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Right Wing Professor
I don't see how Mark confuses any geography.

Mark says that, "Then Jesus left the vicinity of Tyre and went through Sidon, down to the sea of Galilee and into the region of the Decapolis." (Mark 7:31, NIV)

In Matthew 15, Matthew says the same thing.

How has the geography been confused?

Do you have evidence/proof that Jesus did not take this route that Mark and Matthew give account of?

If this is the only/best evidence you have against the Bible containing eyewitness testimony...You might want to re-evaluate.

364 posted on 02/28/2006 12:34:40 PM PST by pby
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To: Elsie

365 posted on 02/28/2006 12:35:22 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Elsie

Yes. This was known in the 1700s, and that French descended from Latin was known by 800.


366 posted on 02/28/2006 12:37:17 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: js1138

God's memory is limitless.


367 posted on 02/28/2006 12:37:42 PM PST by pby
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To: RightWingNilla; P-Marlowe
Then why don't we allow gorillas the right to vote?

In Neil Smith's The Probability Broach the Vice President is a gorilla, and the the best restaurant is run by Mr. Meeps, a chimp, who advertises "Our food is untouched by human hands"

368 posted on 02/28/2006 12:37:47 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Right Wing Professor
There is pretty good empirical evidence that Mark's gospel is not eyewitness testimony

Actually there is good solid scholarship that Mark wrote down Peter's eyewitness testimony. Since you are no theologian or bible scholar, you will have to provide evidence or refrain from those types of statements.

369 posted on 02/28/2006 12:41:32 PM PST by zeeba neighba (What I'm reading now: The Word of the Lord)
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To: Elsie

Anyone who had the slightest clue about the theory of evolution wouldn't make such a silly assumption.


370 posted on 02/28/2006 12:43:02 PM PST by ahayes
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To: zeeba neighba

"Actually there is good solid scholarship that Mark wrote down Peter's eyewitness testimony."

And is therefore not eyewitness testimony, but is rather Mark's hearsay of Peter's alleged eyewitness testimony. QED.


371 posted on 02/28/2006 12:43:36 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: metmom
Cats and dogs share an awful lot of characterists with each other but you couldn't call a cat a dog or vice versa.

Linnaeus called them both carnivores.

The modern ToE makes that prediction that any ERV (or other genetic marker) found in the same place in the genome of any species of dog and in any species of cat will also be found in in the same place in the genome of every species of dog, every species of cat, and every species of bear.

Neither creationism nor ID is capable of making such detailed, testable, predictions.

(As far as it's been tested, it's true)

372 posted on 02/28/2006 12:45:37 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Doesn't matter who copied it down. Oral history is just as good and authoratative as eyewitness, sorry Charlie


373 posted on 02/28/2006 12:46:35 PM PST by zeeba neighba (What I'm reading now: The Word of the Lord)
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To: zeeba neighba

authoritative, good grief, don't want a schoolmarm to get me


374 posted on 02/28/2006 12:47:56 PM PST by zeeba neighba (What I'm reading now: The Word of the Lord)
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To: zeeba neighba

"Doesn't matter who copied it down. Oral history is just as good and authoratative as eyewitness, sorry Charlie"

Sorry, there is no independent evidence that this is unedited eyewitness testimony. It's hearsay. If you attempted to enter in a similar document as "testimony" in a court of law, it would not be classed as such. It's hearsay.


375 posted on 02/28/2006 12:50:24 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Well it has entered its court of law and been accepted, so it's moot anyway. Still, no evolutionist to date can provide an intelligent rebuttal to years of scholarship on the matter, and so should refrain from making such remarks. Remember,We now say "frequently-repeated error," sometimes called (after the poster has received numerous corrections) a "compulsively repeated error" instead of the harsher term. Everyone be nice.
376 posted on 02/28/2006 12:54:25 PM PST by zeeba neighba (What I'm reading now: The Word of the Lord)
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To: zeeba neighba

"Well it has entered its court of law and been accepted, so it's moot anyway."

Please provide the case citation where it was accepted as testimony in a court of law.


377 posted on 02/28/2006 12:57:16 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: pby

You're correct, I didn't read close enough, but now that I have, I'm kind of LOL. If I could do that, I wouldn't be posting on FR, now would I? I'd be accepting the Nobel Prize. And raking in bazillions of dollars in speaking engagements. And having my picture taken for the covers of Life, Time, Newsweek, and, what the hell, the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.

I obviously cannot satisfy your request. Are there folks who take their beliefs so far to become unethical in their distribution. Absolutely. Both sides equally guilty. Again, I choose not to paint the large majority with the miniscule percentages who do behave unethically.


378 posted on 02/28/2006 12:57:19 PM PST by dmz
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Inspired equals God-breathed...the origin of Scripture does not have any part in the will of man. In part, it is a perfect eyewitness account.

1. What evidence would prove to you that there was a global flood?

2. Does the account of the tower of Babel state that all languages came into the world at the same instant? (no it does not...and what is your evidence for the evolution of language at all?)

3. Does incest, if it ocurred, refute that Scripture contains accurate eyewitness account? (no.)

4. Mark and Matthew both give the same account of Jesus's journey out of the vicinity of Tyre, through Sidon, down to the Sea of Galilee and into the region of Decapolis (Mark 7 and Matthew 15). Do you have evidence that Jesus did not take this journey as written? How does this route demonstrate that Mark manages to mislocate some important sites in Palestine?

379 posted on 02/28/2006 1:00:14 PM PST by pby
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

That would be Mark et al/ Christian Witnesses, world court of public opinion, year 0 to year 2000.


380 posted on 02/28/2006 1:01:00 PM PST by zeeba neighba (What I'm reading now: The Word of the Lord)
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