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Great Britain: Drive one of these? You're crass and irresponsible, says minister on warpath
The Times (U.K.) ^ | February 27, 2006 | Darren Webster

Posted on 02/27/2006 5:47:39 PM PST by Stoat

Drive one of these? You're crass and irresponsible, says minister on warpath


 
The minister has accused urban drivers of using 4x4s unnecessarily (Dwayne Senior/Sunday)
DRIVERS of gas-guzzling cars are to be penalised under measures being developed to tackle climate change.

Ministers are particularly keen to target the growing number of people who drive large 4X4s around cities and venture off tarmac only when parking on grass verges.

In an interview with The Times, Malcolm Wicks, the Energy Minister, said: “There is crass irresponsibility in some of the larger monstrosities people drive around suburbia and in London. We have to move against this kind of thing.”

 

 
Owners of cars with high emissions of carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas, face higher taxes. Those who choose hybrid cars and vehicles powered by alternative fuels will benefit from incentives designed to accelerate the shift to “low carbon cars”.

Road transport accounts for a fifth of Britain’s CO2 emissions and is one of the few sectors in which emissions have grown in the past decade.

A record 187,000 4X4s were sold last year, up from 80,000 a decade ago. Small cars accounted for the smallest proportion of new cars since 1999.

The Government is committed to cutting CO2 emissions by 60 per cent by 2050 and believes that tough measures will be needed to persuade drivers to choose greener vehicles.

Transport fuel is a key topic in the Government’s Energy Review, which is considering long-term energy needs. Policy proposals will follow in the summer. The review is being led by Mr Wicks, who said that he was determined to clamp down on manufacturers and owners.

He said that British and European manufacturers had been too slow to develop hybrid cars, which have both a petrol or diesel engine and an electric motor, and use energy normally lost in braking to recharge their batteries.

“I’m disappointed how slow some motor manufacturers have been to follow the lead of the Japanese. Why do I use a Toyota Prius hybrid? Other things being equal, I would like to have bought a car from a British or European manufacturer.”

Mr Wicks said that the small measures the Government had adopted so far, such as offering £1,000 grants to people buying a Prius, were no longer enough.

“Given the very demanding CO2 cuts we must make, we are going to need more than just a series of marginal changes. We are going to need a step change. We will have to ask ‘is it environmentally responsible to be producing cars which are a serious part of the problem?’ There will come a time when it will be irresponsible for those to be on sale.”

Mr Wicks and Stephen Ladyman, the Transport Minister, are considering how to include road transport in the European emissions trading scheme, under which companies have to buy permits to cover any CO2 emissions above a specified level.

Mr Ladyman said: “Somewhere down the supply chain, it will have to be more expensive to supply fuels which are high in CO2.

“The thrust of any policy post-2010 has to be to make people make greener choices.”

But Mr Ladyman admitted that he had not chosen the greenest option himself. He said that he had considered a Prius “for, ooo, about a millisecond”, before opting for an Alfa Romeo GT diesel.

It produces 165 g/km, far better than petrol versions of the car but not as good as the Prius at 104 g/km.

Mr Ladyman said that all cars would become less polluting from 2010 under plans to force suppliers to produce 5 per cent of transport fuel from renewable sources, such as crops or animal fat, by 2010. “We have to look at increasing the proportion to far more than 5 per cent after 2010,” he said.

In the short term, the Government is considering raising vehicle excise duty for gas guzzlers. The Treasury is understood to favour proposals from the RAC Foundation for a new top rate of £200 to cover cars that produce more than 250g of CO2 per kilometre.



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To: Stoat
There is a similar facility called "Bear World" in Rigby, Idaho. The same drive through arrangement. It's impressive to get that close.
61 posted on 03/02/2006 11:22:34 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Skywalk
You hit the nail right on the head! I love how the 'environmentalists' love to preach that SUV's should be banned (note, its only SUVs never trucks too), yet that is the worst move possible environmentally.

Each year, cars/trucks/SUVs are made to run cleaner & more efficient (never mind the fact that the market (gas prices) are keeping people from buying them), so if you ban them the used SUV market will increase and people will keep paying money to fix older ones as opposed to scrapping them since they can't buy a new vehicle that they want.

I love spending my time outside, there is nothing I would rather do than sea kayak, climb mtns, ski, hunt, fish etc. As such, I can't stand to see the environmental destruction that these supposed 'greenies' are responsible for creating!

LOL, whenever I see the Greenpeace nuts out trying to recruit, I just tell them 'My guns, and my SUV keys: From my Cold, Dead Hands!'
62 posted on 03/02/2006 12:12:02 PM PST by proud_yank (Liberalism - The 'Culture of Ignorance'.)
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To: Skywalk
And some people ARE already whining about the unfair advantage in collisions.

Please see post #33 in this thread.

63 posted on 03/02/2006 9:07:09 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

"Socialist elitists masquerading as hardworking and caring servants of the people :-)"

Hmmm, yes. And I have to wonder what kind of car the minister drives? Or if his lifestyle can live up to his own green philiosophy? If he is like our American hipocrite socialist politicians (read Al Gore or John Kerry), he drives a giant, gas-guzzling limo and flies around in private jets, all the while bemoaning what regular folks are doing to get around. You see, in the minds of these people, THEY are exempt because THEY have good intentions or are just plain smarter than everyone else!


64 posted on 03/06/2006 4:22:38 PM PST by Owl558 (Pardon my spelling)
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To: Owl558
"Socialist elitists masquerading as hardworking and caring servants of the people :-)"

Hmmm, yes. And I have to wonder what kind of car the minister drives? Or if his lifestyle can live up to his own green philiosophy? If he is like our American hipocrite socialist politicians (read Al Gore or John Kerry), he drives a giant, gas-guzzling limo and flies around in private jets, all the while bemoaning what regular folks are doing to get around. You see, in the minds of these people, THEY are exempt because THEY have good intentions or are just plain smarter than everyone else!

So true, and even when they are doing their "green" and "environmentally friendly" recreational activities they still insist on needless overconsumption.....sKerry became famous for his FIVE THOUSAND DOLLAR BICYCLE while President Bush rides a far more modest but equally functional Trek.  How many of the overpaid and endlessly preaching celebrities at the Oscar broadcast arrived by bicycle, to set an example and demonstrate how they follow their own (hysterical) advice that they regularly dish out to the rest of us, even when we don't ask?

(waiting for a reply, deciding that I probably won't get one)

Okay then, how many of these Leftist, mouthy film and TV celebrities who rail against the rest of us for our alleged violence against the environment even OWN a bicycle?

(tapping furry stoat foot on the floor as I wait, hearing the sound of crickets chirping in the background)

I suspect that the answer to both of the above questions would most likely be "none"


65 posted on 03/06/2006 6:55:44 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Myrddin
There is a similar facility called "Bear World" in Rigby, Idaho. The same drive through arrangement. It's impressive to get that close.

It looks like grand, screaming fun!  I will bookmark it so that I will be sure to visit when I got to that area next time.  Thank you!  :-)

Yellowstone Bear World

66 posted on 03/06/2006 7:07:34 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
Don't miss the Wolf and Bear Discovery center in West Yellowstone as well. You can get up close to the wolves for excellent pictures. The bears on display vary, but I've seen a copy grizzlies gang up on the trash can in the enclosure. It wasn't a bear proof as intended.
67 posted on 03/06/2006 8:18:25 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
Don't miss the Wolf and Bear Discovery center in West Yellowstone as well. You can get up close to the wolves for excellent pictures. The bears on display vary, but I've seen a copy grizzlies gang up on the trash can in the enclosure. It wasn't a bear proof as intended.

 

hehe!  Thank you for the recommendation.....I guess animals the world over can frequently outsmart a trash can   :-)

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68 posted on 03/06/2006 8:37:35 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
Why do I use a Toyota Prius hybrid?

He uses a Prius, so it's only fair that you be forced to do the same.

Plus there's nothing a good stiff tax can't cure.

Liberalism is a disease!

69 posted on 03/06/2006 8:47:25 PM PST by RJL
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To: Stoat
My dogs are always trying to be helpful by taking out the trash. The results are indistinguishable from the assistance rendered by the camel.
70 posted on 03/06/2006 8:50:37 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: RJL
Why do I use a Toyota Prius hybrid?

He uses a Prius, so it's only fair that you be forced to do the same.

He SAYS he has one anyway; but who's to say how often he uses it?  Perhaps it's one of several, the larger and more comfortable of which he uses when no cameras or reporters are around, and he's interested in a COMFORTABLE and SAFE ride.

Plus there's nothing a good stiff tax can't cure.

Particularly a tax that makes people feel guilty for wanting to provide comfort and safety for themselves.....how dare they!!!

Liberalism is a disease!

Yes, and it's one of the few diseases that can harm others who are hundreds or thousands of miles away.

71 posted on 03/06/2006 8:57:02 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Myrddin
My dogs are always trying to be helpful by taking out the trash. The results are indistinguishable from the assistance rendered by the camel.
 

ROTFLMAO!!!  But you can be thankful that they apparently have a far more gracious and congenial demeanor than the typical camel  :-)

72 posted on 03/06/2006 9:00:51 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
There is crass irresponsibility in some of the larger monstrosities people drive around suburbia and in London. We have to move against this kind of thing.”

The voice of John Cleese comes to mind when I read this.
73 posted on 03/06/2006 9:05:37 PM PST by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: tang-soo
There is crass irresponsibility in some of the larger monstrosities people drive around suburbia and in London. We have to move against this kind of thing.”

The voice of John Cleese comes to mind when I read this.

Agreed....instead of being a Minister in the Department of Silly Walks he could be cast as a Minister in the Department of Your Car Is Too Large If It's Bigger Than Mine   :-)

74 posted on 03/06/2006 9:13:19 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

"tapping furry stoat foot on the floor as I wait, hearing the sound of crickets chirping in the background"

You stoats have way too much common sense.


75 posted on 03/07/2006 8:26:16 AM PST by Owl558 (Pardon my spelling)
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To: Stoat

Safety's a relative term. In multiple car MVAs, bigger usually is safer. In single car MVAs, SUVs and minivans are more dangerous than passenger cars. A car's best safety feature is still a good driver :)


76 posted on 03/07/2006 8:29:08 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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