Billy Zane and Gary Busey
Posted on 02/26/2006 8:38:05 AM PST by LSUfan
You said -- "That's a cop out . Choosing to appear in a blatant anti American film is disgusting. I'd rather starve than stab my OWN in the back and play a monkey to the cheers of the smelly Arab streetand American haters world wide."
Well..., I'd say, then (according to your statement) that most of the people in the U.S. are "copping out". At least it appears that way. Everyone is doing the same thing in their own way. They're all concerned mainly with their own personal welfare -- primarily -- in terms of jobs and money and possessions and getting ahead. And *if* we can accomodate all that -- and -- protest something, then we'll do it. But, if it interferes with the job -- well..., the job comes first. "I've got to support my family, ya know..." That's the way it goes.
And actors are just that -- ACTORS -- nothing more and nothing less. I see a lot of acting that goes totally against the morals and history of our nation all the time. That doesn't seem to bother anyone -- when it's considered "entertainment" for them.
I just don't think people are really *that involved* in the issue of Islam and terrorism. It's a "story" on TV, it seems. And most people would rather be concentrating on their next raise, the next car they buy and a whole lot of other things -- other than those Islamics and terrorism.
I don't think it should be that way -- but -- that's the way it is, apparently. People aren't really too serious about all this. It's more politics than anything else -- as far as I can see. No one is feeling that "Western Civilization is threatened." It's more like -- "How soon can we get out of this and get on with our normal lives..."
Sorry for the news -- but that's the way it is.
Regards,
Star Traveler
You are very wrong my friend and your logic is severly flawed .
Jews, Hindu's, Christians, Bhuddists, etc, etc....all infidels, all unworthy of friendship, all deserving of subjugation and death.
Hopefully the last couple years have taught those who fanatized otherwise a lesson or two. I guess in the end Iraq will have been good to get that silly "Islamic democracy" notion out of our system. Even Muslims living in democracy's don't want democracy. They want Sharia. That is what the Quran teaches in no uncertain terms. It should not be a surprise to any of us that they act this way. Why it was, I will never really understand.
We have 2 options. At this time, really only 1. Isolate the Islamic world, allow it to rot and fall further and further behind the rest of the modern world, and attack it mercilessly only when it attacks or directly threatens us. With this strategy, we cannot try to separate the citizens of an Islamic nation from their government. That is not a winning strategy. Removing Saddam's hostile government was fine. Staying in Iraq to build "Muslim democracy" was a fools errand from day 1. The same is true in Afghanistan. That experiment will also fail. Do this long enough, hit hard enough to punish entire populations, and eventually the Islamic world might find some "new" previously undiscovered revelations from Muhammed that allows them to move out of the 13th century.
Option 2. Wipe Islam off the face of the earth. As Ann said, kill their leaders and convert them. Not a realistic approach at this time, but it is probably coming at some point.
Caveat to the above. Freedom loving Westerners much also fight the war within their own nations. The left acts as a 5th column destroying us from within. The far and radical left must be marginalized and/or ended as an enemy from within. This needs to be done via the ballotbox or otherwise, but it needs to be done.
as far as I can see. No one is feeling that "Western Civilization is threatened
Maybe the Democrats don't see it ..I certainly do, many here do ..Read Victor Davis Hanson sometime ..
View plot summary and trailer here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493264/
You said -- "Actors are given the script beforehand so they can decide if they want the role or not. If he didn't like it, he wouldn't have taken it."
Yeah, I realize that. I'm just saying it's just a "job" for him -- just like it's a "job" for all other Americans in our country. They don't concern themselves with the morals of their jobs. They haven't before and they're not now.
So, that actor is no different than a lot of Americans. You're just singling out someone who happens to be a little bit "higher profile" than most Americans -- that's all.
I would be less concerned about that actor and more concerned about the millions upon millions of Americans who seem to be "copping out" of this War on Terror and just wanting to go on with their lives as "normal" (as in "pre-9/11"). It's like the kid in the car -- "Are we there yet?"
There's no concept of a major threat to Western Civilization or the realization fo what these Islamic terrorist want to do and how they have a *very, very large following* on the Islamic world.
There is no *peaceful Muslim* -- there are only "back-slidden Muslims" and *good Muslims*. The *good Muslims* are terrorists. Does anyone have this concept?
Regards,
Star Traveler
Hetarded pitbull.
They are not saying "God", they are saying "Allah" which is a demonic pagan moon rock god.
Edmund Stoiber, Bavaria's conservative prime minister, asked theater owners to not show "this racist and anti-Western hate film." Bernd Neumann, Germany's expressed concern that the film "raises serious questions about the values of our society and our ability to instill them".
I don't think this movie raises questions about Western values, but it does raise serious questions about Muslim values. In particular, I would note that the liberal media constantly points to Turkey as a model "moderate" Muslim state, which proves that we can live in peace with Muslims. But this movie proves the exact opposite. What it proves is that even "moderate" Muslims are bloodthirsty savages. Why else would this hate film be "wildly successful" in the most "moderate" Muslim state?
Yes, and they are often spoken out against here on FR and in many christian circles.
Honestly, I can't believe you are in any way defending 2 actors taking such unpatriotic roles as though they are robots and have no choice.
You said -- "You are very wrong my friend and your logic is severly flawed."
I wish I were wrong -- I really do. But, the Bible doesn't see it that way. The whole world will come to be deceived by the coming "false Messiah" -- the Anti-Christ. What is going on now is simply part of the deception that society has about living in these present days. Nothing new here. It's as old as the Bible. The Bible says it's all coming to fruition now, in these present times and in the next few years (maybe sooner). These Islamics are just another "bit player" in the Bible's grand story of what is going to happen.
Jesus Christ is coming back and He is the only path to world-wide peace. But, hardly anyone today wants to follow that path.
Regards,
Star Traveler
You're absolutely right and a quick peruse through the firs ten chapters of the Koran paints that picture as clear as one would care to admit for anyone that's objective.
Nicely summed up!
No one in America is concerning about morals? What are you smoking today?
Except that he's got it backwards. When a cartoonist publishes a cartoon, he gets fired, and riots erupt all over the globe. When a Muslim hate film is aired, thousands of Muslims chant "Allah is great!"
You said -- "Maybe the Democrats don't see it ..I certainly do, many here do ..Read Victor Davis Hanson sometime .."
Well, I'm glad you do and some others do. I think any true Christian also does, in addition to anyone else who does.
That was probably hyperbole (i.e., "No one...") -- it's more like a very small minority do and that's it. So, it's the "exception that proves the rule..." -- more or less.
I don't know what good that small minority is going to do, though. From my own personal perspective -- according to the fact that the Bible is infallible and the absolute and inerrant Word of God -- I know that peace will never come -- until Jesus Christ returns. That's exactly what the Bible says. There will be wars and more wars and the final *big war* -- before He returns.
So, that knowledge (or "information") leaves you with just one choice -- "Are you for Him or against Him (i.e., Jesus Christ). That's the only choice that's going to matter in the end. All the rest of the stuff is just moving the players around on the stage (of the world).
But, it certainly is a serious matter -- nonetheless.
Regards,
Star Traveler
Evidently, it was a Turkish TV show for three years before the movie was made.
"Plot Summary: A record breaker on Turkish TV for three seasons and now a phenomenon, "Valley of the Wolves" is now preparing to shake the world with the movie... (more) (view trailer) "
You said -- "Honestly, I can't believe you are in any way defending 2 actors taking such unpatriotic roles as though they are robots and have no choice."
Well, I wouldn't take the role, that's for sure. But, I wouldn't be taking a lot of other roles -- either. And therein lies the problem -- and the "issue" as far as I'm concerned -- and is the reason that it appears that I'm downplaying this (i.e., those actors).
It's that there are millions of other Americans who are of *much more concern* than merely two actors. (And actually, I only know of the one actor, anyway -- Busey; I remember seeing him in a Christian movie).
Thus, I conclude he's probably like millions of other Americans -- merely making a living. And so -- what's of more concern -- one or two actors -- or *millions of players* (those Americans who act the same way in everything that they do in life).
I conclude that those millions of other Americans are of more concern than those two actors. Those millions of other Americans are doing more damage than those two are.
It's simply the matter of the *bigger problem*. They are not the bigger problem. Those other Americans are.
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said -- "No one in America is concerning about morals? What are you smoking today?"
Well, excuse me for using hyperbole. It's really not -- *no one* -- but it's hardly anyone. It's a very small minority -- I would say.
Even the Bible seems to confirm it -- when Jesus asks if He will find faith when He returns. That sort of sums it up, I would say -- when Jesus says that.
Regards,
Star Traveler
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