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Depression gene found
News.com.au ^ | 02/26/2006 | By Clair Weaver and Andrew Chesterton

Posted on 02/25/2006 8:22:24 AM PST by oxcart

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To: vimto
As a Christian... I do not believe free will exists...

Some new kind of Christian,maybe?

281 posted on 02/27/2006 12:01:53 PM PST by hschliemann
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To: demkicker
While looking down on so many from your lofty perch, I'm curious to know if the air is really that thin up there.

"Lofty perch"?

I lived with severe depression for several years of my life. To the point I attempted suicide... more than once.

I know a lot more about this topic than you might like to give me credit for.

282 posted on 02/27/2006 7:03:27 PM PST by Jorge
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To: apackof2
The Lord also said that He "desires mercy more than sacrifice" Try displaying some instead of being the "ugly Christian"

Saying that Jesus tells us to "Be of good cheer" that He has "overcome the world" is "ugly" to you?

283 posted on 02/27/2006 7:18:25 PM PST by Jorge
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To: vimto
Kind regards in Christ.

Thank you so much for this post!

284 posted on 02/27/2006 7:20:10 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Tunehead54
"G'day and the "shrimp on the barbie" thing.

Aussies never put shrimps on the barbie - they put prawns there. They also liked to "warm the tele and cool the tinnies" (ie, put the TV on, and have a cold beer handy)

Anyway, you're a real Auz, if you can eat Vegemite. Lived there for 14 years. Still can't stand the stuff. Mr Peel, who has never been, can't get enough of it.

285 posted on 02/27/2006 7:21:05 PM PST by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
Oh oh. Hope you didn't read the whole thread. If you did that was my evil twin. ;-)
Maybe this will help Mr. Peel perk up:

Vegemite Recipes - Starting with Breakfast!

286 posted on 02/27/2006 10:08:32 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Jorge
"Most of those stuck on depression are irresponsible and full of self pity, blaming everyone else and the world for their lot in life. How stupid. What a waste of time.

I'm happy that you've managed to struggle through your depression wars, but I don't know of anyone who would agree with your harsh assessment of people with depression. Since depression can often manifest itself in despondency and irrationality one who suffers from it cannot always just snap out of it. Being irresponsible or full of self pity are traits unto themselves.

287 posted on 02/28/2006 7:29:05 AM PST by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are familiar bedfellows)
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To: demkicker
but I don't know of anyone who would agree with your harsh assessment of people with depression.

Try reading "Happiness is a Choice" by Mirnirth and Meier.
This book has been a priceless guide in keeping me from falling back into the sort of depressions that plagued me in earlier years.

The "harsh" assessment as you describe it, came basically from their book. I call a great dose of reality.

Since depression can often manifest itself in despondency and irrationality one who suffers from it cannot always just snap out of it. Being irresponsible or full of self pity are traits unto themselves.

Believe me. I know and I agree with you. I experienced it and KNOW how hard it is to just "snap out of it".

You're right. It doesn't work that way.

But as I said, it STARTS with accepting and taking responsibility for yourself.

Until a person gets past this step, they will not truly overcome their depression.

288 posted on 02/28/2006 4:42:16 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Jorge
But as I said, it STARTS with accepting and taking responsibility for yourself.

Until a person gets past this step, they will not truly overcome their depression.

We are in agreement on this and I wish you the best.
J
demkicker

289 posted on 02/28/2006 5:57:04 PM PST by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are familiar bedfellows)
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw
This is good info for those of us who have always realized it runs in families. Finally nice to have some proof to work with.

I agree.

290 posted on 03/01/2006 3:30:47 AM PST by syriacus (Hillary says: Millions to China's state-run shippers; not one RED cent to the UAE shippers)
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To: vimto
Some people are oblivious to the sufferings of others. Even folks in professions which help suffering people can be insensitive.

I have a former friend (an x-ray technician) who told me my son's asthma was caused by his emotions.

The same friend worked at a state hospital which had a psychiatric ward on a different floor. The patients from the psychiatric ward traveled between floors to grow vegetables in a solarium located in the radiation wing. One of the x-ray technicians thought it was funny to sneakily remove some of the nearly-ripe tomatoes from the vines and then watch the confusion among the psychiatric patients when they arrived to harvest the tomatoes and found they weren't there. My former friend thought it was funny to watch, too.

291 posted on 03/01/2006 4:08:26 AM PST by syriacus (Hillary says: Millions to China's state-run shippers; not one RED cent to the UAE shippers)
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To: muawiyah
However, it looks to be a recessive ~ which is why you get just under 1/4 of the folks developing it.

Great observation!!

292 posted on 03/01/2006 4:11:56 AM PST by syriacus (Hillary says: Millions to China's state-run shippers; not one RED cent to the UAE shippers)
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To: Jorge
But as I said, it STARTS with accepting and taking responsibility for yourself. Until a person gets past this step, they will not truly overcome their depression.

I agree with you to a great extent, but would temper my agreement by saying

Some people with leg injuries recover more quickly if they use a crutch for a while

I think it is the same for some people with depression.

293 posted on 03/01/2006 4:20:50 AM PST by syriacus (Hillary says: Millions to China's state-run shippers; not one RED cent to the UAE shippers)
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To: oxcart

Placebo sure is a strong factor. My mother is elderly and she and her friends are now putting a BAR OF SOAP under their bedsheet to cure leg cramps. She really thinks it helps, thus, it helps. I tried to explain placebo effects to her, but that fell on deaf ears. If she is happy, I am happy. And I guess the bar of soap won't kill her. Sure would be uncomforable, though, that bar of soap lump under the sheets! My husband said she better not tell her boyfriend (81 years old) about this! It might scare him off! LOL Last year she and her friends were all rubbing emu oil on their knees to get rid of pains. I have no idea what they will be doing next year. She said the bar of soap works, got rid of her leg cramps! Then she added that the medication her doctor gives her may be part of the cure, too.


294 posted on 03/01/2006 9:50:10 AM PST by buffyt (America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people. Pres. George Bush)
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To: SupplySider

We are trying to get our depressed friend to get up and out and do anything. He hasn't worked or even been out to eat with his wife in FOUR YEARS. He sits at home and watches TV all the time and drinks wine by the box. I don't think he drinks water or anything else, just wine. I don't think he eats anything either. If he would get out, get some Effexor, and some exercise, he might be saved. He is a total recluse now. It came on gradually, but he is really bad now. A wasted life.


295 posted on 03/01/2006 9:52:13 AM PST by buffyt (America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people. Pres. George Bush)
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To: syriacus
Sorry to hear about your son's asthma. My daughter suffered - again it's a family gene thing. and she is growing out of it. Hope your daughter does too.
Many care professions attract callous people. They like tormenting people who are vulnerable. also the general population has it's fair share of bullies - you would expect the same proportion at least in care professions. Sadly I'm not surprised by your observations. In the UK the are 1.5 million workers in the health and care sector out of a population of 60 miliion. It has an insatiable appetite for workers.

Most people are considerate, but one or two bad 'uns can make life hell in a care home or hospital.

I sometimes teach at a local college and I begin the year with "I can give you knowledge about care is but I cannot give you integrity and a backbone to stand up for good practice and challenge bad practice, you got to get them for yourself". That wakes them up

kind regards
296 posted on 03/02/2006 9:28:11 AM PST by vimto
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To: vimto
Thank you for replying to my post. I'm glad your daughter is outgrowing her asthma. My son rarely gets it any more.

You are right that, in any field, there are good and bad folks to deal with.

Some great doctors and nurses, as well as some real clunkers, treated my son through the years. It's too bad that it can takes years of experience to distinguish between the two groups.

297 posted on 03/02/2006 12:28:15 PM PST by syriacus (Hillary says: Millions to China's state-run shippers; not one RED cent to the UAE shippers)
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To: buffyt
He sits at home and watches TV all the time and drinks wine by the box.

Does he sit down to watch TV, or lie down? I think it's harder for people who spend a lot of time "prone," to get going. I've noticed that with my 90 year old mother. Even if she is not going to be doing anything special, even if she is feeling "weakish," I need to make sure she sits upright for at least part of the day.

I think that focussing one's eyes straight ahead for too many hours of the day is can depress one's energy level, too. Sort of the flipside of the doctor who "treated" depressed patients by having them move their eyes.

298 posted on 03/02/2006 12:38:50 PM PST by syriacus (Hillary says: Millions to China's state-run shippers; not one RED cent to the UAE shippers)
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To: VeritatisSplendor
"carb-insulin-serotonin connection"

Extrapolate please. Ref if handy...

299 posted on 03/30/2006 11:02:08 AM PST by gnarledmaw (I traded freedom for security and all I got were these damned shackles.)
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To: gnarledmaw

http://intelegen.com/nutrients/5hydroxytryptophan.htm

Well, there's one reference on the connection from an article that pushes 5-HTP, which made things worse for me.

I'm going into some detail assuming you have a personal and not abstract interest.

Higher insulin levels allow for serotonin-building molecules to enter the brain more readily. Eating carbs ups the blood sugar and hence the insulin levels. Some people go on carb binges to make themselves feel better. It works for a while.

Most people with depression feel much worse in the morning. Low blood sugar, low insulin, low serotonin levels. Better in the evening - day's highest insulin levels.

One thing that helped me was to eat a couple of slices of whole wheat bread with a little butter before going to bed - so the blood sugar wouldn't be so low in the morning. Also had some bread and maybe a banana handy as soon as I woke, or even if I woke in the night with a panic attack.

Munch, pray, and breathe deeply.

5-HTP didn't work. What does work for me is a high complex carb diet, health food store high dose multivitamin and mineral supplement, with extra D and folic acid, because those are usually not high dose in the multivitamin, and royal jelly, which really does seem to help with energy levels, even though I'm not sure I believe in it.

Different people will respond to different things.

Accupuncture actually helped, but I had a very skilled, very Christian accupuncturist.

Daily exercise, light therapy, sunlight, prayer, social contact, trying to think the way you think when you're not depressed, if you remember how.

Prayers for you or your loved one, if this is indeed a personal interest.

Mrs VS


300 posted on 03/31/2006 7:06:36 AM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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