Posted on 02/24/2006 2:37:07 PM PST by bildabare
Dubai Ports World is scheduled to take over operations at 22 U.S. ports, not six as previously reported by most major media.
According to the website of P&O Ports, the port-operations subsidiary of the London-based Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co. (P&O), DPW will pick up stevedore services at 12 East Coast
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Nah. They're the same bunch that have been trying to convince us for the last five years that Islam is a 'religion of peace'.
I wouldn't want you to step out of character. The Bush is all evil crowd my throw you out.
Agreed! Apparently Bush is a fool on this. How could anyone possibly think that they could spring something like this on the American public and expect any reasonable degree of support so as not to hinder his reputation.
Now this. His legacy is in jeopardy as well IMO. There are just far too many unknowns and unanswered questions coupled with things that just don't add up for this to come across as a good move at present.
Once again, you misrepresent.
LOL! By one of the people pushing this massive disinformation campaign 7/24 this past week. That's rich.
Not necessarily picking up on the history of the thread leading to this statement, but do you?
Based on what I've picked up from Tony Snow, DPW is nothing more than a glorified bookkeeper in all of this. Somehow I have a hard time believing that they have no more authority than to simply write out paychecks and keep payroll stats for the longshoremen.
And if that is the case, they're trying to convince us that no American firm (or true ally firm) can make money on such a contract? I refuse to believe that.
To date, I haven't heard anyone clearly detail exactly what DPW would do in their role in this deal. NO ONE! Knowing the particulars would certainly either validate the fears of those concerned or very quickly come up with a vindication from all the criticism.
Isn't the contract available?
LOL...right.
All I ever did was question how the vaunted White House political operation ever could have walked into this blind.
Five seconds later the personal attacks started.
Contracts. Actually, they are leases, signed by the individual port authorities, all of whom are owned by the individual states where they're located.
They are all slightly different, based on local laws. You'll have to go to the port authorities, but they likely won't show them to you.
Yeah. It's all fine. Secret, but fine. Nobody knew nothing, 'til now, either...
Move along, nothing to see here.
/sarcasm
Agreed. And even the reasons why we shouldn't be against it are weak IMO. B/c "our ally would be angry with us and not cooperate in the WOT." What a crock of itsh that is! If they're such a marvelous ally, then they'd understand the obvious.
My beef is that let's face it here, the UAE is just about all muslim for all intents and purposes. At last check, it has been muslims that we've been having problems with. We don't know who the "good" ones or "bad" ones are. I can't tell by looking and I've heard many say that the goal is to smile at us and then slit our throats.
My question is simple: Suppose we knew that a "bad" muslim, more specifically one that is bent on seeing to it that terror against American people and targets is realized, were in charge in some capacity in one of the DPW US Port positions. Would there be cause for concern? Would that person be able to assist in the matter in his position?
Thus far we can't even get an answer as to exactly what they do. But getting back on point, if we can't tell which muslims are good or bad as it were, then HTH can we trust any of them guarding our ports?
I'm still waiting for the Whitehouse to step out on this too! Apparently I'd be dead if I ever held my breath on the issue.
Also, they use the excuse that "foreign companies already run all of our ports." First of all, none are muslim. Second of all, haven't we been hearing since 9/11 how the ports are the weak link in the chain of WMD entry?
We have! Ergo, shouldn't we be "connecting the dots" between "foreign operated ports" and "the weak link in US security" then! Duh! But no, instead just b/c our ports are foreign operated, it's now apparently OK to have some muslim company operate the others.
And if all they are is glorified bookkeepers, then the notion that no other companies want the work is absurd.
Just a little. Over thirty years active duty U.S. Coast Guard. Direct involvement with port operations, port security (which includes vessels and facility inspections and security over-site), MDZ planning and sundry other experience.
DP World has more involvement then that but let me explain first. Their business is the "commercial" operations of their business; the industry short hand for this is simply port operations but again, that only involves their business: longshoremen, cranes, forklifts, etc.
That's not to be confused with "port operations", the actual operation of the port, all entities in it and overall security, which are under the control of the local port authority and various federal agencies.
Now since the operator, DP World, has regulatory requirements on them regarding security, they are aware of security procedures up to that level of requirement...nothing beyond that. Most of the day to day operation of their business will be handled by local contractors, who will also be involved in that restricted level of security.
I hope that helps somewhat.
Alright then, what do these "port operators" (aka DPW) do?
Ie., they show up for work on Monday morning, go into their port office, and do what? Sit around, sleep, wait for friday, and then write a bunch of paychecks?
WTH do they do? Not one person that I've heard has answered that including Rush, Snow and others that are adamantly in favor! I have no idea how they can possibly be in favor w/o knowing these things. And if it is that simple, then the argument/notion that American companies don't want the work is BS. That'd be an enormous contract for doing that.
I was speaking of people on this thread and others, not people in the Administration.
LOL! All you did was what you always do.
LOL! March lockstep with the administration? Yep...
Only very nominally.
Their business is the "commercial" operations of their business; the industry short hand for this is simply port operations but again, that only involves their business: longshoremen, cranes, forklifts, etc.
What does this mean? Are they responsible for an occasional "oil and lube" on them? Do they source them and oversee the maintenance contracts on them? Do they need to make sure that the appropriate people show up to run them every day/week? What do you mean by "commercial?" That can mean anything. Is there a private or not-for-profit aspect to port operations? I can't imagine. So that means that it's all commercial.
And Chucky is all over this sillyness...
Serious question: Have you ever been to a seaport? Have you ever seen a container ship? Do you know about the gigantic cranes that lift containers - which are the size of the trailer part of a tractor trailer - on or off the ships and store them on docks until they get sent on their way by another ship or by a truck or by train.
People have to know what containers are where and how to get them where they are supposed to go.
That is what DPW does in container terminals.
In passenger terminals, they handle baggage for cruise passengers.
In roll on/roll off terminals, they load and unload items with wheels = like cars from Japan.
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