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Fla. Bill Would Give Dogs a Place at Table
http://www.comcast.net/ ^ | 2 24 06 | DAVID ROYSE

Posted on 02/24/2006 2:12:05 PM PST by freepatriot32

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - Some Florida cities would like to throw a dog a bone _ or maybe a burger and some fries. Dogs would be able to sit with humans at outdoor restaurant tables in some communities under a measure advancing in the Florida Legislature.

The bill, approved by a House committee Wednesday, would create a three-year test program to allow cities to grant restaurants that want to host dogs special permission to do so under certain conditions.

Rep. Sheri McInvale, an Orlando Republican, filed the bill after some restaurant owners complained because they were threatened with fines for allowing doggy dining. The city supports the proposal.

"We are getting a renaissance downtown," said Kathy Russell, Orlando's director of government relations. "We've got designer restaurants and designer dogs, and (people) would like to have a designer cup of coffee with their designer dog."

Dogs would only be allowed to dine at outside tables under the plan. No restaurant would be required to let the dogs in, and cities would not be required to offer the variance from the law that normally bars canines. The dogs also would have to be on leashes.

But some say giving Fido a seat at the table raises serious questions. The issue of dog bites may be a concern for individual restaurant owners, McInvale said. The bill would require restaurants to have $1 million worth of liability insurance to be eligible to be exempted from the law.

"Everybody's not a dog person, and some people are afraid of dogs," said Rep. Terry Fields, a Democrat.

Tiffany Hickem, who shuttles her 9-month-old shelty Delaney between her home in Delray Beach and Gainesville where Hickem is a student at the University of Florida, would love to take the puppy to restaurants.

It would mean fewer hours Delaney would have to hang out at home all alone.

"Anytime I can take her out and do something with her, even if it's while I'm doing something, it gives her a chance get a little more socialized," Hickem said.

The Florida Restaurant and Lodging Association is against the bill because different restaurants will have to follow different laws depending on what city they're in. The restaurant lobby probably won't howl too loudly about the proposal, though.

"Our membership is somewhat split on this," said the FRLA's general counsel, Richard Turner, who, for the record, has a puppy at home.

The bill has one more committee stop to make before it can go to the full House for a vote. A similar measure is awaiting Senate committee hearings. Some lawmakers still have questions _ albeit humorous ones.

"Does it mean if we pass this bill, it would eliminate doggy bags?" asked Rep. Julio Robaina, R-Miami.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

I used to hang-out at a bar in Chicago where the owner's guard dog (a big-a** German Shepherd) would drink out of your beer if you left it unattended while visiting the bathroom.


21 posted on 02/24/2006 2:29:47 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: freepatriot32
not a smoking ping buta hypocrisy ping the same pols that wont allow you to let smoking take place are tryingot force resturant owners to allow dogs to eat at resturants

Friend you might want to use the spell feature graciously supplied by FR before posting.....

22 posted on 02/24/2006 2:30:24 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: freepatriot32
not a smoking ping buta hypocrisy ping the same pols that wont allow you to let smoking take place are tryingot force resturant owners to allow dogs to eat at resturants.

The world has gone nuts.  I am convinced of it.

23 posted on 02/24/2006 2:30:48 PM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver
It's also very common in Europe

Most places I went to were much more accomodating to dogs than to children. Dogs were expected to be in full control, and I rarely even noticed one other than when coming or going unless I looked under a table. Children on the other hand...no one really expected them to be able to behave at all times.

24 posted on 02/24/2006 2:32:04 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: freepatriot32

Who's going to remove the fecal coliform bacteria from the seat after the dog gets finished rubbing his butt on it?


25 posted on 02/24/2006 2:36:10 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: 1rudeboy
I used to hang-out at a bar in Chicago where the owner's guard dog (a big-a** German Shepherd) would drink out of your beer if you left it unattended while visiting the bathroom.

My kinda dog!

26 posted on 02/24/2006 2:36:40 PM PST by RepoGirl ("Ow! My eye! I'm not supposed to get jigs in it!" Lenny Leonard)
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To: Servant of the 9

Thanks for clarifying that. That was my first question - is it a mandate or repeal of a regulation. If knees are gonna jerk, they should at least jerk from reliable data.


27 posted on 02/24/2006 2:38:51 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Interesting, this has recently become an issue here in Austin as well

And there are plenty of businesses here who keep dogs in their offices also.

If I understand the article correctly: it is going to allow dogs on the patios only and not require that they be allowed. Sounds like it is up to the owner to me. Just removing the ordinance preventing the activity.

28 posted on 02/24/2006 2:44:17 PM PST by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: freepatriot32

That's not how I read this...I read this that if an establishment wants to allow dogs, they can...I don't think they'll be forced to. Correct me if I'm wrong.


29 posted on 02/24/2006 2:47:25 PM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie; RVN Airplane Driver
Get over it...in Europe dogs are allowed IN many restaurants and on buses, subways and trains.

Avoiding comment on whether this suggestion is right or wrong, I generally disagree with making decisions based on what's happening in Europe.

30 posted on 02/24/2006 2:47:55 PM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: FoxInSocks
I generally disagree with making decisions based on what's happening in Europe

Couldn't agree more!!

31 posted on 02/24/2006 2:53:06 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: freepatriot32

Dogs outdoors at restaurants is illegal in Florida? Since when?

The law prohibiting dogs to be with their owners outdoors at restaurants is ignored here in Miami Beach. In fact, quite the opposite: Restaurants definitely do /not/ want to have an anti-dog reputation.

Of course, if that dog lights up a cigarette outdoors...


32 posted on 02/24/2006 2:56:23 PM PST by MyDogAllah
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Get over it...in Europe ....

Why do so many assume that because something is done in Europe, we should do it here:

IN EUROPE:

The drinking age is 16, but the driving age is 18
A man of 30 having sex with a 16 year old is accepted
Prostitution is legal
Marijuana and hash are sold at drive through windows (Venlo, NL)
Nuclear power plants supply a far larger percentage of the electrical requirements
Female bathroom attendents are often stationed in men's bathrooms
Cousins who marry can be heads of states (Not Arkansas)
Prostitutes are stationed in glass booths on public display for all to see (including minors)
They drive Citroens
They eat horses, snails and rodents (rabbits).
They make wine by stomping grapes with their feet (Port)
And they allow their dogs to dine at restaurants!

33 posted on 02/24/2006 2:57:06 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Well, Kerry did win the exit polls.)
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To: Michael.SF.
Actually this one didn't sound so bad: "Nuclear power plants supply a far larger percentage of the electrical requirements"
34 posted on 02/24/2006 3:03:02 PM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: freepatriot32

The proper solution is obvious: allow the owners of restaurants to decide if they will permit the clients to enter with their pets or to smoke, or even to permit some clients to smoke and enter with their pets but to exclude others.

I understand that in the US it is perhaps necessary to have laws forcing certain owners to permit black people to enter their establishments, but that restriction is obvious. These other things, telling people where they may smoke, or telling people where they may take their pets, why, precisely, is this the business of the state at all?

It does not seem very free to have such rules on everything anyone wishes to do with his restaurant.


35 posted on 02/24/2006 3:06:48 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Lui: Eh, quel est votre signe? Elle: "Ne pas entrer")
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To: snarks_when_bored

Who's going to remove the fecal coliform bacteria from the seat after the dog gets finished rubbing his butt on it?

You eat off of seats in restaurants?

Listen to the dawg haters howl - he peed on me! Shoot him!!

Never met a dawg hater who didn't make me want to hurl chunks - worst hard on cranks you can find.

Restaurant dog areas are common in a lot of states.

If you get any dog coliform on your tushy at a restaurant don't worry - the human carnivora flora in dirty human intestines usually wipes it out - if your beer farts don't fry it first that is.

I demands mah rights to dine in the dog area and kick up a stink! Dey gots woims ya know.....

What I want to know is who is going to remove the fecal bacteria from the seat after you are finished rubbing your nasty streptococcal behind all over it?


36 posted on 02/24/2006 3:08:25 PM PST by the Marshal
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To: the Marshal

Now that was entertaining. Happy Friday to you!


37 posted on 02/24/2006 3:15:41 PM PST by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Wait till the gang bangers show up with their pit bulls and fifi at the next table becomes an entre...


38 posted on 02/24/2006 3:23:11 PM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit our sister..but we knew just what to do...we gathered rocks and squashed her!)
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To: freepatriot32

39 posted on 02/24/2006 3:27:44 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: freepatriot32

You cant smoke a Camel but you can bring your Pit Bull to lunch. Makes sense to someone I guess. Nothing like eating lunch and stepping in dog doo on the way out.


40 posted on 02/24/2006 3:28:46 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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