Wiggie's Busted for Having Smokers (Madison, WI Smoking Ban)

Madison.com ^ | February 24, 2006 | Bill Novak

[Looking4Truth]

Bar owners need only call the police atleast once a night to report these heinous criminals. When they show up, hours later, tell them the guy is gone, they missed him. Keep calling every night and it will show on their logs. When they come to bust you for not obeying the law you have a record of your attempts to keep within the law.

This is great!

If we're lucky, the cops will be too busy trying to find the smoking 'criminal' to worry about the smoke nazi who's car just got broken into.

Naw, I'm really not that mean-spirited or am I?

[Ghost of Philip Marlowe]

Government can ban a product if it considers it a health risk. Taxing it and then basing a budget on projected revenue is NOT dissuading the usage of what is still a legal product.

When a government tells people what they can do with their own property and businesses, they are being far more offensive than second-hand smoke.

If you don't like a smoky bar, go to one that bars smoking. Oh wait, you want to force Wiggy and all his regular patrons to abide by your rules 364 days out of the year so that you can have it your way the 1 day out of the year you may decide to stop by. Sounds like tyranny to me.

[SheLion]

And there's so much more room in them now. Why, you have your choice of seats.

[nothingnew]

....and for workers (second hand smoke) it can well be deadly.

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. May God have mercy on your soul.

FMCDH(BITS)

[jjmcgo]

About 10 years ago I was in a convenience store and the counter boy challenged an adult who was buying two different brands of cigarettes.
He refused to sell either brand because he "knew" the adult was buying for a minor.
Next in line, I say, "Hey, Dick Tracy, if you want to be a detective, take the police-academy test. The law didn't make you a detective or give you enforcement powers. It justs says you can't sell to minors. You're still a counter boy. And, hurry up with my smokes."

[jjmcgo]

This is the answer!!!! Right here.
Continuously call the police to the bar. Hundreds and hundreds of calls every night from bars all over town. Call the politicians and the papers the next morning with response times or lack of response.
When the cops get there, tell them, the smoker just left, he went thataway!!!

[jjmcgo]

Littering with cigarettes used to be littering, now it's rebellion. I want to run up the costs of the nanny-staters.

[nothingnew]

Governments can't have rights. Governments have obligations. Only people can have rights.

That is one of the most succinct answers I've seen on this thread, and I thank you.

FMCDH(BITS)

[jjmcgo]

Post your list of the anti-freedom freepers.

[Bean Counter]

The law changed her in WA Jan 1st, that bans smoking within 25 feet of a building.

The patrons of one of the bars here obeyed that law to the letter, and measured 25 feet from the front door of the bar, and set up a portable smoking room (a large tent) right in the middle of Main St. in "downtown" Vancouver WA.

They didn't last long, but the point wasn't lost on anyone...

[mysterio]

I don't smoke, and rather like being able to go out to the bar and not come home smelling like a chimney.

Why not buy a bar then and make it non smoking?

[jjmcgo]

That's the bar I went into Worcester. Or, is it the one in Mahopac?
I still love the Worcester story. The place was near empty and the old owner said he liked it better without smoke. He said it used to get real bad "in the old days" when the place was full of college-age smokers.
How long ago was that, I asked.
"Before the smoking ban."
If he wasn't old and had made all his money, he'd be going out of business.

[MamaTexan]

It's not a big deal, if you freak out and throw glassware and burgers because you're told to take it outside then you seriously have problems.

Hon, it's in WISCONSIN, not California.

Hard to go outside when it's below zero!

[Gone_Postal]

I don't smoke, and rather like being able to go out to the bar and not come home smelling like a chimney.

You just prefer to smell like a rummy

[Fintan]

 

[Diana in Wisconsin]

"It would be a sad day when Americans will stand around and accept the government ordering them about in their private lives without fighting for their inherent liberties."

Very well said. But it IS a sad day around here. Wiggie is the ONLY one standing up to the Smoke Gnatzis out of 21 other "complaints." The others just paid the fines and got on with it.

I really fear that the Madistan business owners have lost the will to fight. Maybe even the will to live. It's been like Chinese Water Torture in this city for the past few years. I mean, it's always been BAD, but now that there are at least eight "Progressive Dane" card-carrying Marxists on the City Council (out of 20), all does appear to be lost.

I hate to see it. It's really disheartening how much POWER a very tiny group of people can have. Who's next? It's like evey day you wake up and wonder who those eight will target today? :(

It's almost like the "gay minority" that seem to run this country.

[SheLion]

Post your list of the anti-freedom freepers.

You are kidding me!  Can I do that without getting into trouble???

[spinestein]

I know of a few towns in northern Wisconsin which would drag the politicians out of their offices by their ankles and hang them upside down from lamp posts if they tried to dictate a no-smoking ban.

[Diana in Wisconsin]

Why do you think I own land in Northern Wisconsin, and will be building on it within the next decade? ;)

It's the per-capita socialists down here in Southern Wisconsin. We're outnumbered. But 'Up Nort' we'll have our numbers and we definately won't be out-gunned, LOL!

[Diana in Wisconsin]

Now THAT is really good! :)