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Wiggie's Busted for Having Smokers (Madison, WI Smoking Ban)
Madison.com ^ | February 24, 2006 | Bill Novak

Posted on 02/24/2006 1:01:34 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

(Health inspector: 'We had complaints')

Madison's most outspoken critic of the smoking ban has been busted for allowing smoking in his tavern, but the bar owner says he will fight the charges and might try to get the smoking ban overturned because of his case.

Dave Wiganowsky, a county supervisor and owner of Wiggie's, 1901 Aberg Ave., is being taken to Madison Municipal Court on two counts of violating the city's smoking ordinance for allegedly letting patrons smoke in his bar on Dec. 17 and Jan. 14.

Public health officers working undercover went into Wiggie's on both occasions, based on complaints from patrons that smoking was going on in the bar.

"We had complaints," said Doug Voegeli, city of Madison Environmental Health Services supervisor. "We talked to Dave, went over the ordinance with him and then did compliance checks to make sure he was complying."

Wiganowsky told The Capital Times today he doesn't allow smoking in his bar, but if someone is smoking and won't quit, he has to watch out for the safety and welfare of his employees.

That's apparently what happened in the January incident, when a man lit up a cigarette at the bar and angrily refused to put it out when the bartender told him to.

"I'm not putting my people in harm's way," Wiganowsky said. "I've already had a smoking customer throw a glass at a bartender and another throw a burger on the floor. When you shut 'em off, people get aggravated."

Wiganowsky said he has hired an attorney and will fight the complaint. Neither the patron nor the bartender was issued a citation.

"It will take some time and effort, but maybe this case will get the ball rolling on getting the smoking ban overturned," he said. "We'll go to Municipal Court and maybe lose that one, but there are many other things to look at."

There is room for negotiating on the charges, said Assistant City Attorney Marci Paulsen, just as other bar owners in similar situations have done.

"We'll probably make a high-low offer," Paulsen said. "If he's good and there are no more violations for the rest of the year, it would be a low fine. But if there are other violations, he would get the highest fines allowed."

Wiganowsky is facing up to $671 in fines and court costs because of the two violations noted in the complaint. If it was only one offense, the maximum penalty would be $198.50.

Is the outspoken smoking ban critic being singled out by the smoke police?

"Definitely not," Voegeli said. "There had been complaints against his establishment and we are required to follow up on the complaints."

Voegeli said five Madison taverns have faced court dates because of the no-smoking ordinance, based on 22 complaints since the smoking ban went into effect in the city on July 1, 2005. All but one owner (apart from Wiganowsky) settled before going to trial.

Public health officers do have some leeway in citing or not citing smokers, bartenders or owners if a customer lights up.

"If a customer's told to put it out, we're not going to write a citation to the bartender," Voegeli said. "It all depends on the situation."

Wiganowsky said some situations are more volatile than others, and he's not willing to put his employees up against surly smokers if it means his bartenders could get hurt.

"My daytime bartender is 61 years old," he said. "My wife Angie is 5-foot-2. What are they going to do?"

Wiggie's court date is set for March 17, St. Patrick's Day.

"That's my busiest day of the year, and I've already laid off five people," he said.

Paulsen said the court date can be changed if Wiganowsky asks.

No matter if it goes to trial or not, Wiganowsky is fighting both the complaints and the smoking ban all the way.

"My livelihood is at stake," he said.

He couldn't care less if he's able to smoke in his own bar, he said, but wants his customers to have the chance for a smoke and a beer.

"I quit smoking 20 years ago," Wiganowsky said. "So did Angie. It doesn't bother me."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Wisconsin
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To: oyasuminasai

The first place a revolution starts is with telling the 'enforcers' to go hell. When they get their asses kicked a few times the 'lords' get the message that they are next.


61 posted on 02/24/2006 2:05:26 PM PST by Lowell (The voice from beyond the far right edge!)
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To: oyasuminasai

"The LAW is smoking cannot be done in public places. Thus you must take up the issue with LAW MAKERS not LAW ENFORCERS by flouting the law."

The problem with the LAW is that it requires property owners to become LAW ENFORCERS without compensation or protection for doing so. If bar owners simply started a campaign of dialing the police everytime someone lights up then they should be covered. Of course, this is not the best thing the LEOs could spend their time on, but LAW MAKERS are responsible for that determination.


62 posted on 02/24/2006 2:06:18 PM PST by PaxMacian
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To: oyasuminasai

I don't condone any of the activities you just described, nor do I smoke. However, it is clearly an infringement for the government to disallow otherwise legal activities in a business. I'm really surprised we see people defending this on Freerepublic.

By the way, if one were to urinate on a bar, the bar would be the one to throw you out. In this case, bar management wishes to allow an activity that the government has deemed unhealthy. Well, drinking is unhealthy too. Maybe they should ban that too, and we should all just shut the hell up since it is clearly a public health issue. Right?


63 posted on 02/24/2006 2:07:07 PM PST by VegasCowboy ("...he wore his gun outside his pants, for all the honest world to feel.")
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To: SheLion

Maybe the smokers should make other complaints on other taverns. This would keep the smoking police busy for years
and they wouldn't be back for a long time.


64 posted on 02/24/2006 2:07:30 PM PST by Tspud1
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To: Lowell

The revolution is as close as your phone. Bar owners need only call the police atleast once a night to report these heinous criminals. When they show up, hours later, tell them the guy is gone, they missed him. Keep calling every night and it will show on their logs. When they come to bust you for not obeying the law you have a record of your attempts to keep within the law. No citizen is required to become a law enforcement officer. If I could tackle every idiot that litters the ground with his butts and issue him a fine, then I might be so inclined.


65 posted on 02/24/2006 2:12:41 PM PST by PaxMacian
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To: oyasuminasai; SheLion

Then stay the hell out of Wiggie's bar.




I've got a good idea, too. Stay the hell out of these threads. Better yet, go to DU and stay out of FR.


66 posted on 02/24/2006 2:15:16 PM PST by The Foolkiller (BSXL* The year the sport died.)
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To: oyasuminasai
Either are understanable, having a cloud of smoke over all patrons is unhealthy, and for workers it can well be deadly.

You're very suggestible, aren't you?

67 posted on 02/24/2006 2:19:08 PM PST by HIDEK6
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To: VegasCowboy
I'm really surprised we see people defending this on Freerepublic.

I keep a list.  You would be shocked to find out how many in FRee Republic defend the forced smoking bans by the government on a private business.  It's mind boggling, to say the least. 

68 posted on 02/24/2006 2:23:29 PM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: The Foolkiller
I've got a good idea, too. Stay the hell out of these threads. Better yet, go to DU and stay out of FR.

Sickening, isn't it?!

69 posted on 02/24/2006 2:24:35 PM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: No.6
I don't recall anyone forcing you or me to enter a bar.

One thing I just can't understand about second-hand-smoke-kills bar patrons is, they truly believe their lives are at risk from SHS, yet there they sit, in a smoke-filled bar, bitching about the smoke.

70 posted on 02/24/2006 2:25:28 PM PST by kevao
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To: oyasuminasai
[...having a cloud of smoke over all patrons is unhealthy, and for workers it can well be deadly.]



That is simply an opinion, and it's not backed by compelling evidence. I'd worked for years in restaurants and bars (in smoking heavy northern Wisconsin) and the worst I can say about 2nd hand smoke is it's annoying if it becomes too thick.




I agree with you about the proper venue for debating the law is at the legislative level. If our elected lawmakers do things we disagree with then we can boot them out at the next election.

There is an agreed upon exception to this, and that is when laws passed infringe upon our Constitutional rights, in which case the courts should rule accordingly. That is the venue chosen by Wiggie's Bar which has decided that the no smoking law is just such an infringement, and they are letting it go to court for their decision.

It would be a sad day when Americans will stand around and accept the government ordering them about in their private lives without fighting for their inherent liberties.
71 posted on 02/24/2006 2:25:32 PM PST by spinestein (All journalists today are paid advocates for someone's agenda.)
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To: PaxMacian

Not bad, but the Lords still don't get the point. They want you and me to live whatever lifestyle they think is appropriate. If the enviornment is offencive to someone don't go there. Point being its our choice not theirs.


72 posted on 02/24/2006 2:27:26 PM PST by Lowell (The voice from beyond the far right edge!)
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To: oyasuminasai
It's a health issue

Not if nobody forces you to go to a smoking establishment. Following your logic, the government should ban smoking in private homes as well. After all, we smoking homeowners are known to have non-smoking acquaintances over for cocktails on occasion.

73 posted on 02/24/2006 2:29:57 PM PST by kevao
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To: oyasuminasai
Government has the right to legislate what a restarant can do with regard to the public health.

Governments can't have rights. Governments have obligations. Only people can have rights.

I learned this in the 7th Grade. You will too.

74 posted on 02/24/2006 2:36:32 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: VegasCowboy
[By the way, if one were to urinate on a bar, the bar would be the one to throw you out. In this case, bar management wishes to allow an activity that the government has deemed unhealthy.]




It's ironic that the government can prevent people from lighting a few ounces of tobacco on fire because the resulting wisps of smoke supposedly kill innocent bystanders, but if the same people were to roll out an American flag, douse it with gasoline and set THAT on fire, then that would be protected by the Constitution as free speech, and any one who complained would be labeled "intolerant" and told to go to hell.

I would like to request a little consistency from our government and suggest that patrons be allowed to smoke cigarettes rolled up in paper printed with the American flag, and if others don't like it then THEY can go to hell.
75 posted on 02/24/2006 2:41:05 PM PST by spinestein (All journalists today are paid advocates for someone's agenda.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

If no one complained and the cops just walked in that should mean the law violates the Fourth Amendment against unreasonable search and seizure. No complaint, no justification.


76 posted on 02/24/2006 2:41:27 PM PST by jjmcgo
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To: oyasuminasai

And there's so much more room in them now. Why, you have your choice of seats.


77 posted on 02/24/2006 2:42:10 PM PST by jjmcgo
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To: Minnesoootan

I'm getting real close to taking them outside myself.
I'm not kidding, this is totalitarianism.


78 posted on 02/24/2006 2:43:17 PM PST by jjmcgo
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To: oyasuminasai

What on Earth are you, a big fan of government intervention, doing on a Conservative website?


79 posted on 02/24/2006 2:44:11 PM PST by jjmcgo
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To: elkfersupper
[Governments can't have rights. Governments have obligations. Only people can have rights.]



It's amazing how few people know this, considering The Constitution clearly and consistently spells this out.

I also get tired of the looks of incredulity I receive when I tell people that our rights are not a result of their being spelled out in The Bill of Rights but are inherent to us, and the government's only job is to not infringe on those rights.
80 posted on 02/24/2006 2:57:07 PM PST by spinestein (Journalists used to tell you about news events. Now they serve you an emotional experience.)
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