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Wiggie's Busted for Having Smokers (Madison, WI Smoking Ban)
Madison.com ^ | February 24, 2006 | Bill Novak

Posted on 02/24/2006 1:01:34 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

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To: oyasuminasai
Well I do smoke and rather like being able to go out to the bar with my smoking friends. Solution - allow the marketplace to dictate which bars do better - smoking or non-smoking! What right do you or anyone else have to impose your will on the owner of a PRIVATE business?
21 posted on 02/24/2006 1:32:26 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org • Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: L98Fiero
"I'm saying there must be a market for non-smoking bars"

Aw c'mon. "Equal, but separate?"

That's the argument (flawed at best) that Lib's use whenever they don't want individuals, who have rights they object to, want to interfere for "the greater good".

It's not that they don't want to be exposed to the smokers; it's that they want to SHOW THEIR SUPERIOR INTELLECT AND POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.

Asking that they go where they want is not the issue; destroying the rights of others to fit their agenda IS the issue.

22 posted on 02/24/2006 1:32:34 PM PST by traditional1
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To: L98Fiero

Nobody is opening a chain of non-smoking bars for the simple reason the no-smoke Nazis have made that unnecessary. Now if you could open a chain of smoking bars you'd be rich. But alas the Nazi's would never allow it, unless of course it was state owned like the cigarette tax.


23 posted on 02/24/2006 1:33:58 PM PST by marlon
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To: oyasuminasai

I see you're new here. Good luck to you on the PERSONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS threads, LOL!


24 posted on 02/24/2006 1:35:46 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: traditional1

"Asking that they go where they want is not the issue; destroying the rights of others to fit their agenda IS the issue."

Bingo! Else, one would think, based on the noise, there would be loads of non-smoking bars and this would not even be an issue. It appears some people want any place they may accidentially end up in to be smoke free. Short of living in a socialist society, that just ain't gonna happen.


25 posted on 02/24/2006 1:36:44 PM PST by L98Fiero
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

A bar isn't personal property, there's a slew of laws you have to conform to to run a bar. if you wanna have a bar in you're basement, and drink and smoke there go for it.


26 posted on 02/24/2006 1:37:15 PM PST by oyasuminasai
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To: sittnick

"Would it be possible to make Wiggie's into a private club, so that 'members' could smoke?"

He's actually trying to get his bar re-zoned so that it is outside of the Madistan City Limits. I think that's why they're hassling him.

What DON'T these business-bashers understand? You force businesses to lose customers and income, then when they try to stand up to you, you beat them down some more until they go out of business, or set up business in another town and the city loses all that tax revenue.

They're such idiots.


27 posted on 02/24/2006 1:39:06 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: spinestein

Either are understanable, having a cloud of smoke over all patrons is unhealthy, and for workers it can well be deadly.

It's a health issue, and the state has made its decision, its up to the courts to repeal the law (tough grounds for it since it passed legislature legally and is within their rights) or the citizens to make their voice known to their represenatives in government. Flouting the law is not the proper response.


28 posted on 02/24/2006 1:39:51 PM PST by oyasuminasai
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To: 2nd amendment mama

A bar ain't your personal property, its a government regulated place of business. There is no such thing as a private business (mail order comes close).

Workers in bars cannot choose to only stay in the non smoking section, your state can force them to go to the smoking section as well but you have to talk to your representatives in government, not flout the law because you're an addict with no self control if it means you can't have your fix.


29 posted on 02/24/2006 1:42:04 PM PST by oyasuminasai
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To: oyasuminasai

You do have the option of NOT GOING IN THE PLACE don't you?


30 posted on 02/24/2006 1:42:07 PM PST by Lowell (The voice from beyond the far right edge!)
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To: oyasuminasai

Maybe flouting the law is not acceptable, but it is a sad state of affairs in this country when people accept, and even welcome, such infringements on personal property rights.


31 posted on 02/24/2006 1:42:10 PM PST by VegasCowboy ("...he wore his gun outside his pants, for all the honest world to feel.")
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To: L98Fiero
Short of living in a socialist society, that just ain't gonna happen./i>

Amen....ain't gonna happen in the end.

32 posted on 02/24/2006 1:42:23 PM PST by traditional1
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To: oyasuminasai

"A bar isn't personal property,..."

It sure as chit is. A bar is OWNED by a person. They put up the money, they buy the property, they buy or build the building, the juke box, and the booze.

Oh, nevermind...you'll never get it. ;)


33 posted on 02/24/2006 1:42:51 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Lowell

Its not a matter of YOU its a matter of LAW.

The LAW is smoking cannot be done in public places. Thus you must take up the issue with LAW MAKERS not LAW ENFORCERS by flouting the law.


34 posted on 02/24/2006 1:43:07 PM PST by oyasuminasai
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

A bar is a regulated business. I'm in business and have to conform to a slew of laws and I don't even have a retail facility. All business is regulated by the government, and none are free to flout those laws without reprocussions.

This whining has happened everywhere smoking gets banned, there's a few anarchists hold outs who insist they have some sort of right to ignore the law, they get shut down, folks start smoking outdoors, and everyone gets along.


35 posted on 02/24/2006 1:44:58 PM PST by oyasuminasai
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Good luck to you on the PERSONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS threads, LOL!

I feel that they are also usurping REAL PROPERTY RIGHTS...those rights that run with the title to the real estate.

In effect, the property owner is giving up a rightful use for the property with no compensation.

Almost an act of "eminent domain".

36 posted on 02/24/2006 1:46:48 PM PST by demsux
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To: oyasuminasai
you're an addict with no self control if it means you can't have your fix.

Number 1-try making it illegal to sell, then.

2-Self control IS my right, not YOURS

If you can't stand the heat (or smoke, in this case), GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN

Strange thing about freedom, you don't HAVE to go into the bar, so...... deal with it.

37 posted on 02/24/2006 1:47:17 PM PST by traditional1
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To: VegasCowboy

What infringement?

Are you allowed to mastrubate everywhere you want? Hardly?

Are you allowed to come into a bar an urinate on the counter? Hardly.

Can you run a bar that has folks commiting sex acts on one another in pairs or groups? Nope.

There's tons of laws for the public good that regulate where you can do unhealthy things. There is a difference between regulating where you may do something and banning it outright.


38 posted on 02/24/2006 1:47:37 PM PST by oyasuminasai
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To: oyasuminasai
Government has the right to legislate what a restarant can do with regard to the public health.

You don't understand "Private Property??"

Public property: That which is purchased and maintained by tax dollars for the benefit of all people.

Private property: That which is not purchased or maintained by tax dollars and is for the benefit of the property owner.

39 posted on 02/24/2006 1:47:44 PM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion; Gabz; Wolfie

smoke nazi ping


40 posted on 02/24/2006 1:48:01 PM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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