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To: Diana in Wisconsin

A bar is a regulated business. I'm in business and have to conform to a slew of laws and I don't even have a retail facility. All business is regulated by the government, and none are free to flout those laws without reprocussions.

This whining has happened everywhere smoking gets banned, there's a few anarchists hold outs who insist they have some sort of right to ignore the law, they get shut down, folks start smoking outdoors, and everyone gets along.


35 posted on 02/24/2006 1:44:58 PM PST by oyasuminasai
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To: oyasuminasai; SheLion

Re: Oyasuminasai. This is going to be interesting. I predict the name calling starts in Five, Four, Three, Two... ;)


41 posted on 02/24/2006 1:48:26 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: oyasuminasai
A bar is a regulated business. I'm in business and have to conform to a slew of laws and I don't even have a retail facility. All business is regulated by the government, and none are free to flout those laws without reprocussions.

Yep, businesses are treated as public spaces. People should know that before they buy or start one. It's still private property, but not the same as if we lived under anarchy.

109 posted on 02/24/2006 6:15:47 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: oyasuminasai

What you apparently don't know about this situation is that a couple of years ago, the city of Madison required bars and restaurants that wanted to allow smoking to put in expensive separate air handling systems. Many did so, acting in good faith, and investing in some cases well into six figures to provide separate, oversized ventilation systems for smoking sections.

The city of Madison rewarded their adherence to the law by outlawing all smoking in bars and restaurants, despite the investment on the part of business owners. The resulting reduction in the value of their investment constitutes a "taking" of their property. It's morally wrong, and constitutionally questionable.

And, before you ask, no I am not a smoker, and I prefer to patronize businesses that are not filled with smoke. However, I do not have the right to impose that preference on the private property of someone else.


140 posted on 02/24/2006 7:46:55 PM PST by LouD
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