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Teacher Unions Reward Mediocrity, Fail the Students
Real Clear Politics ^ | February 22, 2006 | John Stossel

Posted on 02/22/2006 8:53:24 AM PST by george76

"The teachers united will never be defeated!" chanted thousands of public-school teachers at a union rally.

They may be right -- unfortunately.

Teachers unions in this country are very influential because they can assemble a crowd.

Randi Weingarten, head of New York's teachers union, put out the word, and thousands of teachers filled Madison Square Garden to demand a new contract and more money.

That clout brings timid politicians into line.

The unions can pay for expensive rallies at "the world's most famous arena" because every teacher in a unionized district like New York must give up some of his salary to the union.

Even teachers who don't like the union, teachers who believe in school choice, and teachers who could make more on the open market must fork over their money to support the unions that fight against school choice and merit pay.

The unions use their clout to fight against the interests of the best teachers.

Union leaders make sure the teachers who work hardest don't get raises or bonuses.

Everyone with the same seniority and credentials must be paid the same.

That guarantees that no teacher will take home a dime for making extra sure that students learn.

Joel Klein, who as New York's schools chancellor runs the country's largest public-school system, put it this way:

"We tolerate mediocrity, and people get paid the same whether they're outstanding or whether they're average or, indeed, whether they're way below average."

Klein said that out of 80,000 teachers, only two have been fired for incompetence in the past two years.

Of course, unions do more than just protect incompetents.

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1 posted on 02/22/2006 8:53:27 AM PST by george76
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Some teachers care about the students, so they want to do more than the contract requires.

But astoundingly, some of them told (John Stossel that) they are actually afraid to stay at school when the union says it's time to go home.

They worry they'll "get in trouble with the union."


2 posted on 02/22/2006 8:56:11 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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Over time unions tend towards union money and less about the workers they say they represent.


3 posted on 02/22/2006 8:56:46 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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Teacher Unions Reward Mediocrity

And Johnny just came to realize this recently?

Give me a break!

5 posted on 02/22/2006 9:00:13 AM PST by Houmatt (Just say NO to the Dubai port deal!)
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To: OneLegProud
I am very well aware of how and why unions got started in the first place.

The circumstances then are light years away from what is happening today.

I can explain the differences but I think we are all fully aware of how corrupted the unions have become and the fact that they now exert a negative impact.

6 posted on 02/22/2006 9:06:20 AM PST by capt. norm (Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue)
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To: george76

February 22, 2006
Teacher Unions Reward Mediocrity, Fail the Students
By John Stossel

"The teachers united will never be defeated!" chanted thousands of public-school teachers at a union rally. They may be right -- unfortunately. Teachers unions in this country are very influential because they can assemble a crowd. Randi Weingarten, head of New York's teachers union, put out the word, and thousands of teachers filled Madison Square Garden to demand a new contract and more money. That clout brings timid politicians into line.

The unions can pay for expensive rallies at "the world's most famous arena" because every teacher in a unionized district like New York must give up some of his salary to the union. Even teachers who don't like the union, teachers who believe in school choice, and teachers who could make more on the open market must fork over their money to support the unions that fight against school choice and merit pay.

The unions use their clout to fight against the interests of the best teachers. Union leaders make sure the teachers who work hardest don't get raises or bonuses. Everyone with the same seniority and credentials must be paid the same. That guarantees that no teacher will take home a dime for making extra sure that students learn. Joel Klein, who as New York's schools chancellor runs the country's largest public-school system, put it this way: "We tolerate mediocrity, and people get paid the same whether they're outstanding or whether they're average or, indeed, whether they're way below average."

Klein said that out of 80,000 teachers, only two have been fired for incompetence in the past two years. That's because it takes years for a principal to fire an incompetent teacher. I can't explain the rules here, but you may be able to read a flow chart about them in my next book -- "may be" because the flow chart may be too big to fit in a book. The rules are so complex that they ought to begin: First, take a week off from running your school to study these rules. Many of the rules come from the union contract, which has 200 pages plus a mess of addenda. Even Klein, who used to practice antitrust law for the federal government, called the contract a "regulatory nightmare."

But the unions fight to protect the nightmare. Weingarten has a remarkable excuse: "Our union has actually stepped up to the plate and said we'll police our own profession."

I'd like to police my own job, too. And I'll bet some students would just love to police their own homework!

Of course, unions do more than just protect incompetents. Weingarten, on behalf of New York's teachers union, fought for a uniform day of six hours, 40 minutes. "Which is what normally happens in the private sector," she told me.

Funny. I work in the private sector every day, and I haven't seen that. Have you?

The teachers no longer have that either, though. Last year, they made a big concession. Now they have a uniform day of six hours, 50 minutes. That's nearly a whole additional hour every week!

Some teachers care about the students, so they want to do more than the contract requires. But astoundingly, some of them told me they are actually afraid to stay at school when the union says it's time to go home. They worry they'll "get in trouble with the union." It's as if the teachers, united, never to be defeated, made a decision: Instead of letting the administrators crack down on bad teachers, the union will protect the bad teachers by cracking down on the good ones.

Maybe that's what Weingarten calls policing their own profession.

I confronted Weingarten. "Unionized monopolies like yours fail. In this case, it is the children who -- who you are failing."

"We are not a unionized monopoly," she retorted. "And ultimately those folks who want to say this all the time, they don't really care about kids."

Really, Ms. Weingarten? You fight to protect a system that rewards mediocrity, and then you claim your critics don't care about kids?

Give Me a Break.


7 posted on 02/22/2006 9:08:10 AM PST by upchuck (Wikipedia.com - the most unbelievable web site in the world.)
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To: AD from SpringBay; Born Conservative; freepatriot32

John Stossel confronted Weingarten. "Unionized monopolies like yours fail.

In this case, it is the children who -- who you are failing."

"We are not a unionized monopoly," she retorted. "And ultimately those folks who want to say this all the time, they don't really care about kids."

Really, Ms. Weingarten?

You fight to protect a system that rewards mediocrity, and then you claim your critics don't care about kids?

Give Me a Break.


8 posted on 02/22/2006 9:08:31 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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You can't teach students well if they don't even speak english, or show they up high, or never do their homework.

Thats a larger portion of the students than people realize.

10 posted on 02/22/2006 9:10:56 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: upchuck
Link to Stossel's column from last week, Teacher Unions Are Killing the Public Schools.
11 posted on 02/22/2006 9:12:02 AM PST by upchuck (Wikipedia.com - the most unbelievable web site in the world.)
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To: OneLegProud
It might be instructive to learn why unions were started in the first place.

It might be instructive to learn why buggy-whips were invented in the first place.

12 posted on 02/22/2006 9:14:11 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: OneLegProud
The miners union did NOTHING to prevent that disaster.

Safety has been a ruse used by unions for ages but what they are really after is the dues of the members and all the fun they can have manipulating the money and ripping off the members.

Please don't tell me you haven't heard anything about all the investigations, union officials mysteriously disappearing, sent to jail, etc.

On the balance, in the last 30 years unions have done a lot more harm than good. Once the crooks learned how to take them over and clean them out, it was all over.

13 posted on 02/22/2006 9:14:32 AM PST by capt. norm (Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue)
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To: OneLegProud
Uh, surely you are not saying the union could have saved those miners?

Considering how far into industries like mining they are, I find it hard to believe the unions did not know about the many safety violations and yet did nothing about it.

14 posted on 02/22/2006 9:17:50 AM PST by Houmatt (Just say NO to the Dubai port deal!)
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To: george76

While true that teachers' unions reward mediocrity, bad parenting has wreaked more havoc on public education.


15 posted on 02/22/2006 9:18:32 AM PST by doctor noe
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To: george76

>>>The unions can pay for expensive rallies at "the world's most famous arena" because every teacher in a unionized district like New York must give up some of his salary to the union.

And receive grant funding through NGOs.


17 posted on 02/22/2006 9:21:01 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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I used to feel bad for teachers. Oh, what a tough job they have. But after seeing Stossel's Report on 20/20 my opinion has totally changed. The UFT is the most powerful union in the Country and care more about their jobs and their pensions than care about educating children. In NYC we are spending over $10,000 per kid (double of what we were spending 20 years ago) and yet only about 50% of 8th graders can read and do math at their grade level. The system is failing our kids and our Country. The Unions have to be broken to fix a broken system. We need to push a voucher system now!!!

(By the way, I've dated more than a few teachers in my life - some of the dumbest people I've ever met. I fear for my children's future and the future of this Country.).


18 posted on 02/22/2006 9:21:06 AM PST by Daytyn71
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To: OneLegProud
You are so much into carrying the water for the unions, it's nearly impossible to have an intelligent discussion with you.

You must be beholden to them for some reason, but I am not blinded by such a bond.

Corruption has infected the unions like a cancer and you won't even comment on that fact. The Democratic Party was once a respectable organization, but look what has happened to it.

Once you the unions up on a pedestal, the thugs that run them can run roughshod over its members but nobody can say anything because they are "sacred cows"

In defending what they do, you become an accomplice.

19 posted on 02/22/2006 9:25:44 AM PST by capt. norm (Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue)
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