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Wal-Mart ordered to carry 'morning-after' pill [great interview by conservative]
MSNBC ^ | 2/20/2006 | Tucker Carlson transcript

Posted on 02/20/2006 7:59:43 AM PST by XR7

Should the government really be telling businesses what products they can stock on their shelves? That‘s debatable, but it is happening.

Wal-Mart was ordered this week by the Massachusetts Board of Pharmacy to carry the morning after pill. It‘s an emergency contraceptive and a commercial one. The directive came after three women, backed by abortion rights groups, sued Wal-Mart to carry the pill in its Massachusetts stores.

Dr. Rebecca Guy is one of those women. Dr. Guy, along with her attorney Mr. Sam Perkins, joined Tucker Carlson to discuss the case.

CARLSON: Doctor, why should government be telling businesses what they can and cannot sell? Or why should anyone be forcing businesses to sell things they don‘t want to sell?

...You don‘t own Wal-Mart. I mean, you‘re not—right. You don‘t have a business relationship with Wal-Mart, I assume. Wal-Mart is owned by its stock holders. And so why shouldn‘t they get to decide what Wal-Mart sells? I guess I‘m missing this.

...But she can go somewhere else and buy it...How is it that you get to choose what a store sells? You could make the same argument about grocery stores. I need to eat to live, right? But I‘m not allowed to tell a grocery store what has to sell, and neither is government—yet.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortofacients; babykillers; babykilling; chooselife; feminazis; moralabsolutes; morningafterpill; nags; naral; now; pharmacy; radicalfeminism; radicalfeminists; retail; ru476; ru486; walmart
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To: Cicero

"It wouldn't surprise me at all if, five or ten years down the road, we see a bunch of major lawsuits, as pharmacies are sued for selling dangerous pills that have killed a number of women."

The morning after pill has been over the counter in Britain for five years now; you'd think we would have heard something if that were the case.


81 posted on 02/20/2006 9:15:46 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: JCEccles
You've captured the essence of libertarian hypocrisy. Libertarians are anti-statist only to the extent that the state intrudes on their interests.

That's not the way I understand it. I think my views are "libertarian" and here's where I stand: The gov't should not dictate to a private business what to sell or not sell. The decision whether or not to sell any particular pill should be left solely to the owner of the pharmacy, not to the government, customers, or the owner's employees, either.

82 posted on 02/20/2006 9:16:40 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: Hildy
That's not my point...it seems a bit hypocritical to sell condoms, but not sell morning after pills.

I see nothing hypocritcal about it in the least. One is a controlled substance, one is not.

But my point is where will these mandates end?

83 posted on 02/20/2006 9:17:34 AM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies: small minds buzzing in you business........SWAT'EM)
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To: garv

I support it as a means to avoid abortion.


84 posted on 02/20/2006 9:17:36 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Mrs.Nooseman
What will happen next if this isn't fought to the highest?

I shudder at the thought.

85 posted on 02/20/2006 9:21:08 AM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies: small minds buzzing in you business........SWAT'EM)
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To: Gabz

I agree...a private store should be able to stock or not stock whatever it wants. I was just noting the hypocracy. And about the controlled substance argument? It doesn't wash as we're talking about a pharmacy...where most everything is a controlled substance.


86 posted on 02/20/2006 9:21:08 AM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: Richard Kimball
"The new definition of freedom. Freedom to force other people to do things they don't want to do."

Isn't that the truth?

87 posted on 02/20/2006 9:21:09 AM PST by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: linda_22003

The fact that it is a different drug is not a logical argument for denying people the right to think it is just as bad. It is just in fact a huge fallacy. You can't look at someone else’s true convictions and tell them that they have no right to live by their beliefs, unless you have the intellectual honesty to admit that you are not a conservative, but in fact in favor of government tyranny. I don't care if the person tells you that it is there honest conviction that the pill is wrong because the goddess who lives in there toilet bowl told them it was bad. No government representative or government entity should try to enforce that said believer in the goddess of toilet water can run a pharmacy or any other kind of store.


88 posted on 02/20/2006 9:21:40 AM PST by fromscratchmom
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To: fromscratchmom

I didn't say anywhere that I thought Wal-mart should have to carry it.


89 posted on 02/20/2006 9:22:43 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Hildy

I still see no hypocracy.

Alcohol is a controlled substance. Should all holders of liquor licenses be required to stock and sell ALL available products?


90 posted on 02/20/2006 9:24:24 AM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies: small minds buzzing in you business........SWAT'EM)
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To: Hildy

I haven't posted in ages, but I wanted to answer your post.

Condoms prevent conception. Many people feel this is acceptable birth control as it prevents pregnancy.

Morning after pills do not prevent conception. If within the 72 hour time span a woman has conceived but the embryo has not attached to the uterine wall, then and only then do the pills work: by "flushing the embryo out of the body." Many people feel this is equivalant to abortion; whether or not the embryo has attached to the uterine wall is irrelevant. So long as there is an embryo, there is life, and the result of MA pills is a termination of life.


91 posted on 02/20/2006 9:25:38 AM PST by two134711
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To: Gabz
You and me both and it is only 9:30 here on the Left Coast.

This is so sickening.
92 posted on 02/20/2006 9:26:13 AM PST by Mrs.Nooseman
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To: Gabz

Yup,so do I,


93 posted on 02/20/2006 9:29:13 AM PST by Mrs.Nooseman
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To: linda_22003
According to the FDA, "EC pills ... act by delaying or inhibiting ovulation, and/or altering tubal transport of sperm and/or ova (thereby inhibiting fertilization), and/or altering the endometrium (thereby inhibiting implantation)." (FDA, Federal Register Notice, Vol. 62, No. 37, Feb. 25, 1997).

This is not avoiding abortion, it is avoiding the ugly truth. EC does not necessarily prevent pregnancy, but it does prevent having to face the consequences of knowing.

94 posted on 02/20/2006 9:29:38 AM PST by garv
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To: garv

So, you're saying you'd prefer women to "face the decision" by surgically aborting several weeks later, when the pregnancy is established and farther along. I don't see that as a better course, so we disagree on that.


95 posted on 02/20/2006 9:31:03 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: Gabz
But my point is where will these mandates end?

It will end when the govt nanny finally encumbers the US economy to the point of collapse. The golden goose will not live forever.

Hopefully some states will one day wise up and divorce themselves from the federal govt nanny-state-bigpork cabal.

The liberal states could still become islamist/abortionist if they so please (don't laugh, the islam-abortion state is viable considering how much islamists hate the fairer sex, they could get a head start on their violence against women and even womyn).
96 posted on 02/20/2006 9:34:23 AM PST by Kokojmudd (Outsource the US Senate to Mexico! Put Walmart in charge of all Federal agencies!)
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To: Mrs.Nooseman

I have not and will not get into the good/bad/indifference on this pill.

My arguements are strictly based on
1. It is available elsewhere
2. These women knew WalMart did not carry it
3. The government should not be forcing private businesses to carry products they do not wish to carry.

There was a story about a year ago dealing with smoking bans. Smoking was permitted in bars. There was one bar in town that was owned by a recovering alcoholic and the entire athmosphere was geared toward others like him. They had their own gathering place in an athmosphere reminiscent of their drinking days, but no alcohol was sold or served. The owner was given a choice, sell alcohol or ban smoking. If I remember correctly, he just closed up shop.


97 posted on 02/20/2006 9:34:41 AM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies: small minds buzzing in you business........SWAT'EM)
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To: Hildy

There is nothing hypocritical in the least with making a personal choice to not sell one product that you think is a bad thing and also a personal choice to go ahead and sell another product that some few people mistakenly think does the exact same thing. There are a number of reasons why a lot of people have no religious conviction prohibiting barrier contraceptives and do have religious convictions prohibiting other types of "contraceptive" products. All of which is completely beside the point--How is any of it the right of government to force on pharmacy owners?


98 posted on 02/20/2006 9:38:49 AM PST by fromscratchmom
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To: Kokojmudd

Unfortunately so many of these mandates are at the state and not federal level.

As I say in several other posts, my arguments here have nothing to do with the product or the pharmacy involved, my argument is against the mandates of the nanny state being placed on private enterprise by whiney busibodies such as the women in this case.

As someone else pointed out, Pro-Choice obviously does not mean Freedom of Choice...........and it goes for many other things besides just this particular pill.


99 posted on 02/20/2006 9:39:02 AM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies: small minds buzzing in you business........SWAT'EM)
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To: linda_22003

Id prefer women to not abort at all, but I'd also prefer everyone face the truth and not pretend otherwise.


100 posted on 02/20/2006 9:39:08 AM PST by garv
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