Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies
When President Bush gave his "axis of evil" speech he went out of his way to make the world understand that it isn't a war with Islam itself that we were joining — and I say joining because the war had been started by the Jihadists decades before. And, in observance to our Western principles, that must be the correct way to view our conflagration with radical Islam.
Let's face facts, it certainly is uncomfortable to a Westerner who has been brought up on tolerance, freedom of religion, and liberty to contemplate a war against an entire religion. But are we approaching a time when Western nations won't have a choice but to target Islam itself in certain ways to keep their own people safe. The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations.
So, the question becomes are we at that time now? Are we fast approaching a time when Mosques will be closed and banned? Have we come to a time when Islamic literature is turned away from our borders? Have the childish and dangerous reactions of Muslims to this cartoon in a Danish newspaper proven that Islam cannot be trusted to be a vital, peaceful, and law-abiding segment of society?
It is looking like yes is the answer to these queries.
We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim "family councils" have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.
Several members of the John Howard administration in Australia have spoken out against Islamic clashes with Western notions of law and societal comportment many times over the last few years.
Recently Howard himself said, "I do think there is this particular complication because there is a fragment which is utterly antagonistic to our kind of society, and that is a difficulty ... You can't find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem."
Muslims routinely destroy property, threaten death and bodily harm to those who speak out against them, and they constantly fund terrorism throughout the world. In Syria they have burnt an embassy, in Europe Muslims have been responsible for murdering people who have written out against Islam or made movies, and other forms of art. These actions are also approved by Islamic teachers (Imams) and religious leaders, not just undertaken by warped loners claiming to represent Islam quite against the will of the majority or authority.
With this ridiculous cartoon issue, we have seen that Islam has no sense of perspective. In the west parody or satire is seen as not only common, but completely harmless for the most part. And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire. Usually only people filled with hate attack religion in parody and most in the West instinctively know this. As a result, most people dismiss such parody as foolishness and bad taste.
But with Muslims overreacting — in western eyes at least — to this silly cartoon issue in the way they have, it becomes nearly impossible for Westerners to view Islam as a peaceful religion, but more as a vicious hate group itself. And that perception is justified with the actions that Muslims have increasingly perpetrated over the ensuing years. So, we find that Islam presents a danger to the safety of the populace all too often. It is violent, oppressive, and reactionary.
But, what is to be done about it? We have been raised to feel that religion should be left untouched by government. Freedom of religion is at the very core of our beliefs. And this concept is an important one to uphold. So, how can we honestly and without hypocrisy begin to look toward making Islam illegal?
There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action. The Ku klux Klan.
After the Civil War ended, the KKK arose from the ashes of war as an advocacy group for the disenfranchised white voter in the south. But it quickly became a terrorist organization bent on taking out revenge on the south's newly freed black population for having lost the war. It got so bad that even one of the original organizers, C.S. Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, denounced the organization and quit it in disgust.
But as the late 1800s rolled on and the south began to re-enter the Union as full partners in government, the KKK began to lose steam and prominence. For a time it subsided. But as the 20th century neared, it re-emerged and this time became a nationwide and powerful force taking on the flavor of religious, civic and racial duty. The KKK became invested in government and claimed millions of members nation wide.
In the 1920s, however, it became too much for a liberty loving country to allow the KKK to any longer exist. In Indiana, the entire state government was scandalized by their fealty to Indiana's Klan leader who had raped and beaten his secretary on a train trip. Violence against and frequent lynching of southern blacks became so pervasive that Congress finally acted and banned the Klan. The organization collapsed never again to reclaim the power and prominence it once had.
Now, the KKK has always based its precepts on Christianity, as well as racial identity. It also reacted with violence, rallies, death threats and killing when it was threatened. It careened far away from being a mere "idea" or religious theology and became a terrorist organization. And it became a terrorist organization even though literally millions of Americans that belonged to or identified with the Klan were not themselves violent, evil, or dangerous citizens.
The leadership of the Klan supported violence. The leadership preached violence. The leadership planned and fomented it. Therefore, it had to go because it became a danger to every law-abiding citizen, whether they agreed with the racial and religious concepts the Klan espoused or not.
Islam has become the KKK of the 21st century. The sooner we awake to this truth and take steps to ban the religion, or somehow curtail its pernicious influence the better. The west is going to have to put sever restrictions on Islamic Mosques and public display of Islam. Further, devout Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office (though it certainly should not become a racial issue — sins of the father should not be visited upon the sons).
This is no religious purge as in centuries past. In the past religions were banned to be replaced by the state sponsored sect and believers of the banned religion were mistreated, tortured, unduly taxed, and terrorized. This is absolutely not the model the west would follow by banning aspects of Islam today. No religion is replacing Islam and no one is suggesting that Muslims be mistreated. But the creed to which they hold is fast becoming the most dangerous one in the world today. It is a fine line that we walk to consider banning Islam, but the safety of society is at risk not to do so.
This is not an easy conclusion at which to arrive. But if we continue to turn a blind eye to the danger that Islam presents to the west, we are signing our own death warrants.
The KKK was put down in the USA and made powerless for the same reason. Communism was destroyed for the same reason, as well. Islam is a danger to the world.
Unfortunately, it is just that simple.
Yep. As I keep saying, lots of people are ignoring/forgetting/wish never happened/etc WWII. When wholesale destruction was just the way it was done. Most people don't realize what kind of restraint we're showing here. If the kid gloves come off... well - we've incinerated whole cities (and that's without the nukes) quite capably. The islamists need to only imagine what could happen today with modern incendiaries.
Maybe the radical Islam-excusing poseurs here will finally, reluctantly take up the fight to keep our precious liberties alive.
Unless they're dead. Which is a distinct possibility. Moral posturing is quite easy as long as you're not at ground zero in a pizzaria when an suicide bomber detonates her belt.
You're absolutely right there. Which is why it concerns me a great deal that the epicenter of islamic evil, Saudi Arabia, is still spewing its filth across the globe, undermining us here at home, and indoctrinating the next generation of jihadis.
Their demographics alone is seriously worrying and I have my doubts as how Al Saud can keep that nation together and implement any necessary reforms at the same time. It's not a country we can afford to overlook.
If the Saudis themselves decide to acquire nukes while we are preoccupied elsewhere, its going to make the problem in Iran look insignificant. The wahhabi/Saud alliance possess something the Iranians and Taliban do not.. the legitimization of their message, as they are the custodians of the "holy sites" of the Hijaz.
I've been in this whole discussion in great depth on another thread...
>Constitution rights....must be balanced against other facts....<
Again I ask, what do you do when a lion charges at you? If you have a brain in your head, you shoot to kill.
The Constitution did not imply rights were to be extended to THE ENEMY. And Islam has and is proving itself to be the archenemy of the West, as well as of Israel. Only the namby pamby to militant liberals would interpret the Constitution to include their political heros bent on destrying the country at any cost.
"There are a bunch of fringe Christian churches that do not have tax-exempt status that do very nicely."
How many of those are preaching death to America?
Thank you.
This is not something that "comes and goes" in Islam, but has been a constant since its foundation. Ibn Ishaq (d. 768 C.E.), the earliest biographer of Muhammad, recorded that Mohammad ordered the execution by decapitation of 700 men of the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe in Medina for opposing his political ascendancy.
I doubt that Islam can be split away from the example and commandments of their "Prophet" --- and that's what it would take to make it compatible with Western society.
Exactly-And it looks as though they are going to force our hand.
"It sure looks like a cult to me."
Cults are also protected under our Constitution. Only if their members break our laws is there a problem. We have cults up the wazoo in the USA.
"How many of those are preaching death to America?"
My mother-in-law's casserole gave me food poisoning at our Church mother-daughter dinner. Does that count?
The poseurs seem hell bent on allowing radical Islam to proliferate with impunity within the United States. It seems to me that they would allow radical Muslims to soak the foundations of our laws and culture with the kerosene of ideology and would respond, if at all, only when the match was lit and tossed on the fumes.
The free exercise clause of the first amendment was never intended to be construed as a license to destroy the Constitution itself.
"Again I ask, what do you do when a lion charges at you? If you have a brain in your head, you shoot to kill.
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Exactly right. However, having killed the attacking lion, I do not go and kill all lions. I kill only those that attack me. Lions are majestic creatures and have a role to play in the world.
"My mother-in-law's casserole gave me food poisoning at our Church mother-daughter dinner. Does that count?"
Uffda! I hope she wasn't trying to tell you something....
By the time you got around to deciding to kill the lion, you would be dissolving in its gastric juices.
Nope, you've got my argument all wrong. As far as the laws go, it is likely that everything at Waco was legal. There were questions about guns & child abuse, but I heard only allegations, and never saw anything suggesting there were facts behind the allegations. The government should have treated them as if they had hearts of gold, until PROVEN otherwise. I'm questioning your moral relativism in equating the protection of the innocent at Waco, with the protection of the mullahs. 9/11 is a lot of proof in the case of the mullahs.
If we can't get the the government to make such simple distinctions, we might as well submit to the Caliphate.
Melas, it is going on in many Mosques all over the USA. Aid, comfort, money...going to the Theocracy. Perhaps my area is just a hot bed for these kind of groups, but I wouldn't trust any of them...ever.
As far as that muslim school, I feel sorry for those children. The Ihsan School of Excellence has been found to be nothing more than a cover for supporting the coming invasion.
It's an devious plot I tell ya. :)
"By the time you got around to deciding to kill the lion, you would be dissolving in its gastric juices."
Wrong. You mistake me for someone or something else.
Thx.
It's amazing that it took 561 posts before the dealiest element of this ultimate crime in the making was introduced into this thread. Islam has (or actually "is") the "motive," nuclear weapons are the "means"...what's missing is "opportunity." But, as they say, an enterprising man creates his own "opportunity."
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