Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies
When President Bush gave his "axis of evil" speech he went out of his way to make the world understand that it isn't a war with Islam itself that we were joining — and I say joining because the war had been started by the Jihadists decades before. And, in observance to our Western principles, that must be the correct way to view our conflagration with radical Islam.
Let's face facts, it certainly is uncomfortable to a Westerner who has been brought up on tolerance, freedom of religion, and liberty to contemplate a war against an entire religion. But are we approaching a time when Western nations won't have a choice but to target Islam itself in certain ways to keep their own people safe. The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations.
So, the question becomes are we at that time now? Are we fast approaching a time when Mosques will be closed and banned? Have we come to a time when Islamic literature is turned away from our borders? Have the childish and dangerous reactions of Muslims to this cartoon in a Danish newspaper proven that Islam cannot be trusted to be a vital, peaceful, and law-abiding segment of society?
It is looking like yes is the answer to these queries.
We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim "family councils" have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.
Several members of the John Howard administration in Australia have spoken out against Islamic clashes with Western notions of law and societal comportment many times over the last few years.
Recently Howard himself said, "I do think there is this particular complication because there is a fragment which is utterly antagonistic to our kind of society, and that is a difficulty ... You can't find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem."
Muslims routinely destroy property, threaten death and bodily harm to those who speak out against them, and they constantly fund terrorism throughout the world. In Syria they have burnt an embassy, in Europe Muslims have been responsible for murdering people who have written out against Islam or made movies, and other forms of art. These actions are also approved by Islamic teachers (Imams) and religious leaders, not just undertaken by warped loners claiming to represent Islam quite against the will of the majority or authority.
With this ridiculous cartoon issue, we have seen that Islam has no sense of perspective. In the west parody or satire is seen as not only common, but completely harmless for the most part. And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire. Usually only people filled with hate attack religion in parody and most in the West instinctively know this. As a result, most people dismiss such parody as foolishness and bad taste.
But with Muslims overreacting — in western eyes at least — to this silly cartoon issue in the way they have, it becomes nearly impossible for Westerners to view Islam as a peaceful religion, but more as a vicious hate group itself. And that perception is justified with the actions that Muslims have increasingly perpetrated over the ensuing years. So, we find that Islam presents a danger to the safety of the populace all too often. It is violent, oppressive, and reactionary.
But, what is to be done about it? We have been raised to feel that religion should be left untouched by government. Freedom of religion is at the very core of our beliefs. And this concept is an important one to uphold. So, how can we honestly and without hypocrisy begin to look toward making Islam illegal?
There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action. The Ku klux Klan.
After the Civil War ended, the KKK arose from the ashes of war as an advocacy group for the disenfranchised white voter in the south. But it quickly became a terrorist organization bent on taking out revenge on the south's newly freed black population for having lost the war. It got so bad that even one of the original organizers, C.S. Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, denounced the organization and quit it in disgust.
But as the late 1800s rolled on and the south began to re-enter the Union as full partners in government, the KKK began to lose steam and prominence. For a time it subsided. But as the 20th century neared, it re-emerged and this time became a nationwide and powerful force taking on the flavor of religious, civic and racial duty. The KKK became invested in government and claimed millions of members nation wide.
In the 1920s, however, it became too much for a liberty loving country to allow the KKK to any longer exist. In Indiana, the entire state government was scandalized by their fealty to Indiana's Klan leader who had raped and beaten his secretary on a train trip. Violence against and frequent lynching of southern blacks became so pervasive that Congress finally acted and banned the Klan. The organization collapsed never again to reclaim the power and prominence it once had.
Now, the KKK has always based its precepts on Christianity, as well as racial identity. It also reacted with violence, rallies, death threats and killing when it was threatened. It careened far away from being a mere "idea" or religious theology and became a terrorist organization. And it became a terrorist organization even though literally millions of Americans that belonged to or identified with the Klan were not themselves violent, evil, or dangerous citizens.
The leadership of the Klan supported violence. The leadership preached violence. The leadership planned and fomented it. Therefore, it had to go because it became a danger to every law-abiding citizen, whether they agreed with the racial and religious concepts the Klan espoused or not.
Islam has become the KKK of the 21st century. The sooner we awake to this truth and take steps to ban the religion, or somehow curtail its pernicious influence the better. The west is going to have to put sever restrictions on Islamic Mosques and public display of Islam. Further, devout Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office (though it certainly should not become a racial issue — sins of the father should not be visited upon the sons).
This is no religious purge as in centuries past. In the past religions were banned to be replaced by the state sponsored sect and believers of the banned religion were mistreated, tortured, unduly taxed, and terrorized. This is absolutely not the model the west would follow by banning aspects of Islam today. No religion is replacing Islam and no one is suggesting that Muslims be mistreated. But the creed to which they hold is fast becoming the most dangerous one in the world today. It is a fine line that we walk to consider banning Islam, but the safety of society is at risk not to do so.
This is not an easy conclusion at which to arrive. But if we continue to turn a blind eye to the danger that Islam presents to the west, we are signing our own death warrants.
The KKK was put down in the USA and made powerless for the same reason. Communism was destroyed for the same reason, as well. Islam is a danger to the world.
Unfortunately, it is just that simple.
What these CAIR types and Muslo-apologists don't realize, is that just as they only cluck their tongues at the latest atrocity of Islamofascists around the world, saying "Oh, yes it is a shame that innocent people died...BUT..", and then proceed to excuse it with some trivial or supposed injustice to Islam on the part of the western world - there WILL come a day, when the white hot outrage of the western world, coupled with its incomparable superiority in weaponry, organization, knowledge, technology and common frikkin' sense - rise up and just level a good portion of the Islamic world in general - innocent and guilty alike.
If they doubt this, they can check the histories of Germany and Japan, just to be sure.
But...if it's any consolation to them now, there will be many in the western world who cluck their tongues as well, and shake their heads concerning the loss of all the innocents...for all that'll be worth to them then.
Sorry, but I'm not in favor of adding ANY of our freedoms to the death toll of September 11th.
"if a creed calls for violence and destruction, then absolutely - it's a similar standard to inciting a riot being a crime. "
We do not prosecute "creeds." We prosecute individuals. If an individual imam or someone like that calls for violence or destruction, we can arrest, try, and convict him under our laws.
We cannot prosecute an entire religion...only those followers who break our laws.
This applies, of course, only to citizens. All others can be deported at will.
Besides what comes around goes around.. Sometimes we do rash things that tends to bite us in the you know what... I don't think we should ban a religion.. It would set a bad precedent..
This is a ridiculous column. You can't make Islam illegal, nor do you need to, to win the war with Islam. In fact that's exactly the king of think Osama would love. Drive all Moslems underground.
Even at the height of the Cold War Communism wasn't illegal! The KKK is still not illegal.
What happened to these groups was that the majority turned against them, a minority took on the goal of debunking them and particularly their beliefs, and their own internal contradictions helped bring them down.
BTW: It continues to this day. Morris Dees (like him or hate him) spends his life studying, reporting on and generally making life miserable for the KKK via Klanwatch. Of course he's expanded to include a lot of other groups, some of whom are not hate groups.
Where is Islamwatch to point out the evil that is Islam. Where are the leaders brave enough to Name the Beast, as Reagan did with Communism.
It's pointless to launch into fantasy flights about making Islam illegal when we don't even have one leader with the guts to stand up and state the obvious: Islam is an evil cult founded by a homicial child-molesting maniac. Islam makes no sense. The life of Mohhammed is not something to emulate, it is something to Scorn. The Koran is not the divine word of god. All those people worshipping the stone are deluned.
We haven't even reached clarity of vision. Once everyone saw the KKK as fundamentally wrong (for things like lynchings and abuses of power) it shortly went deep underground, never to return. How many Klansman are there in the USA today? 100? 1000? Not many. That didn't happen with out people speaking out against them, sometimes at personal risk.
An assertion notably lacking in any demonstrable proof.
I used to think that until an American born møøselimb co-worker strenuously objected to me putting a US Flag and a sign that said "God Bless America" in my cubicle ON 9/11!
Until the Amish and Scientologists start ramming airliners into office buildings, you have the luxury being able to make that distinction.
The fact that you know with almost-certainty that neither will engage in such brutal activities invalidates your argument. It's not a fair comparison. Th Amish, after all, don't go around beheading non-conformists and infidels, and the scientologists would otherwise be in 12-step programs has they not found Tom Cruise and John Travolta.
Islam is not a religion. It never was, it never will be. It was a political tool invented by a demented camel abuser with an axe to grind. One that allowed him to create and control an army of similarly aggrieved nomads living on the edge of starvation. If the circumstances had been different, Mohammed would have simply walked into his local Post Office and went on a shooting spree, or stood for Chancellor fo Germany. Instead, he turned his attention to megalomaniac visions of world domination.
Not at all! The error in the author's article is his constant reference to a hate cult as a religion. Once the lie of religion as it applies to the hate cult is removed then there is no conflict with the 1st amendment.
Wrapped in a phony religion claim, they see no problem in killing or converting all of us. If you do not see that as a clear death threat and something not protected by the 1st amendement then we have a major problem.
I notice all the mudslime apologist are not mentioning the huge throngs of the alleged moderates jumping up and down like the savages they are all in protest over a truthful cartoon.
Where were all these alleged moderates after 40+ years of terrorist attacks? I did not see them in the streets but I sure did see a bunch of skunk anus maggots acting like they had just been brought out of the darkest jungle.
Come on mudslime apologist, where are all the fricken moderates you keep telling us exist?
Hmm. I know some too. And honestly... I don't trust them. The ones I know are great folks. But. There's a but. How would I know what they really think about what is being done in the name of their religeon ? Would they fight in the trench next to me in defense of our constitution and way of life, or would they join with the other ones, if it came to that ?
Yes, it's an individual responsibility issue, but religeous beliefs are kind of funny that way, can override other things.
Re: your screen name.
Isn't that the core of the møøslimb creed?
Islam is a criminal organization, they even recruit in prisons...
The RICO Act should be applied, their assets and property seized just like other racist and violent nut-job groups...
The First Amendment does not give you the right to commit ritual murder...
Personally, I would prefer to end it completely - - nuke Mecca, Islam cannot exist without it...
Too true! if we ban islam, islamic countries may ban other religions too...
Hmmmm...
Yup, and not a moment too soon.
Doesn't matter darlin' how we view it....There are lots of 'religions' that can get tagged with some of the same slams.
We can't destroy the constitution.
If we do that, even if we destroy every last one of them, wiped every mosque off the face of the earth and bomb Mecca and Medina to glass...
If that happens, then they've won and we've lost.
Simple as that.
Yea, he just figured out a way to have his megalomaniac visions endure far past his death. And the rabble keeps on killing...
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