Making Islam illegal -- is it the West's only choice?

Renew America ^ | 2/19/2006 | Warner Todd Huston

[Dark Skies]

When President Bush gave his "axis of evil" speech he went out of his way to make the world understand that it isn't a war with Islam itself that we were joining — and I say joining because the war had been started by the Jihadists decades before. And, in observance to our Western principles, that must be the correct way to view our conflagration with radical Islam.

Let's face facts, it certainly is uncomfortable to a Westerner who has been brought up on tolerance, freedom of religion, and liberty to contemplate a war against an entire religion. But are we approaching a time when Western nations won't have a choice but to target Islam itself in certain ways to keep their own people safe. The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations.

So, the question becomes are we at that time now? Are we fast approaching a time when Mosques will be closed and banned? Have we come to a time when Islamic literature is turned away from our borders? Have the childish and dangerous reactions of Muslims to this cartoon in a Danish newspaper proven that Islam cannot be trusted to be a vital, peaceful, and law-abiding segment of society?

It is looking like yes is the answer to these queries.

We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim "family councils" have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.

Several members of the John Howard administration in Australia have spoken out against Islamic clashes with Western notions of law and societal comportment many times over the last few years.

Recently Howard himself said, "I do think there is this particular complication because there is a fragment which is utterly antagonistic to our kind of society, and that is a difficulty ... You can't find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem."

Muslims routinely destroy property, threaten death and bodily harm to those who speak out against them, and they constantly fund terrorism throughout the world. In Syria they have burnt an embassy, in Europe Muslims have been responsible for murdering people who have written out against Islam or made movies, and other forms of art. These actions are also approved by Islamic teachers (Imams) and religious leaders, not just undertaken by warped loners claiming to represent Islam quite against the will of the majority or authority.

With this ridiculous cartoon issue, we have seen that Islam has no sense of perspective. In the west parody or satire is seen as not only common, but completely harmless for the most part. And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire. Usually only people filled with hate attack religion in parody and most in the West instinctively know this. As a result, most people dismiss such parody as foolishness and bad taste.

But with Muslims overreacting — in western eyes at least — to this silly cartoon issue in the way they have, it becomes nearly impossible for Westerners to view Islam as a peaceful religion, but more as a vicious hate group itself. And that perception is justified with the actions that Muslims have increasingly perpetrated over the ensuing years. So, we find that Islam presents a danger to the safety of the populace all too often. It is violent, oppressive, and reactionary.

But, what is to be done about it? We have been raised to feel that religion should be left untouched by government. Freedom of religion is at the very core of our beliefs. And this concept is an important one to uphold. So, how can we honestly and without hypocrisy begin to look toward making Islam illegal?

There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action. The Ku klux Klan.

After the Civil War ended, the KKK arose from the ashes of war as an advocacy group for the disenfranchised white voter in the south. But it quickly became a terrorist organization bent on taking out revenge on the south's newly freed black population for having lost the war. It got so bad that even one of the original organizers, C.S. Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, denounced the organization and quit it in disgust.

But as the late 1800s rolled on and the south began to re-enter the Union as full partners in government, the KKK began to lose steam and prominence. For a time it subsided. But as the 20th century neared, it re-emerged and this time became a nationwide and powerful force taking on the flavor of religious, civic and racial duty. The KKK became invested in government and claimed millions of members nation wide.

In the 1920s, however, it became too much for a liberty loving country to allow the KKK to any longer exist. In Indiana, the entire state government was scandalized by their fealty to Indiana's Klan leader who had raped and beaten his secretary on a train trip. Violence against and frequent lynching of southern blacks became so pervasive that Congress finally acted and banned the Klan. The organization collapsed never again to reclaim the power and prominence it once had.

Now, the KKK has always based its precepts on Christianity, as well as racial identity. It also reacted with violence, rallies, death threats and killing when it was threatened. It careened far away from being a mere "idea" or religious theology and became a terrorist organization. And it became a terrorist organization even though literally millions of Americans that belonged to or identified with the Klan were not themselves violent, evil, or dangerous citizens.

The leadership of the Klan supported violence. The leadership preached violence. The leadership planned and fomented it. Therefore, it had to go because it became a danger to every law-abiding citizen, whether they agreed with the racial and religious concepts the Klan espoused or not.

Islam has become the KKK of the 21st century. The sooner we awake to this truth and take steps to ban the religion, or somehow curtail its pernicious influence the better. The west is going to have to put sever restrictions on Islamic Mosques and public display of Islam. Further, devout Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office (though it certainly should not become a racial issue — sins of the father should not be visited upon the sons).

This is no religious purge as in centuries past. In the past religions were banned to be replaced by the state sponsored sect and believers of the banned religion were mistreated, tortured, unduly taxed, and terrorized. This is absolutely not the model the west would follow by banning aspects of Islam today. No religion is replacing Islam and no one is suggesting that Muslims be mistreated. But the creed to which they hold is fast becoming the most dangerous one in the world today. It is a fine line that we walk to consider banning Islam, but the safety of society is at risk not to do so.

This is not an easy conclusion at which to arrive. But if we continue to turn a blind eye to the danger that Islam presents to the west, we are signing our own death warrants.

The KKK was put down in the USA and made powerless for the same reason. Communism was destroyed for the same reason, as well. Islam is a danger to the world.

Unfortunately, it is just that simple.

[bayouranger]

Btw, islam discovered America, and Australia and everywhere else. They can prove it.

>>So says Curious George, right?

Anyone, and I mean anyone, with access to a free society can learn the TRUTH! Islam is the final lie still in existence to this day. How do we confront it effectively? Without stirring the pot too much as to cause a severe backlash?

Simple, we bring it up in casual conversations. Speak the TRUTH, and let the Truth lead the way.

[bayouranger]

Yes, but there is the new lie that's being spread even on sites like this.

It works like this - there is this 'other' Islam, a 'baaad' misconception of Islam whose followers have misunderstood Islam or have been brainwashed.

Ok, let's go there. There's a reason for people passing on a "new" lie. It's only because they're afraid of what might occur if there's no other course of action left. I cannot blame them for feeling that way either, I did. Then, after spending time with my nephew, I realized that this cannot be left for him to deal with because I was afraid. No one wants what is to come..at least no one in there right mind, but we NEED to address this while we have the upper hand technologically; otherwise, in a war of attrition, we'll lose. I've served, and I can see so have you, but this will require a new yet discovered, sense of survival to achieve the desired outcome:
Survival of our world.

[Fred Nerks]

Exactly! There's no need to be nasty or sarcastic, simply present the evidence and it will speak for itself.

For example:

Textbook on Arabs removes blunder
By George Archibald
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published April 16, 2004

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An Indian tribe has forced distributors of an Arab studies guide for U.S. teachers to remove an inaccurate passage that says Muslim explorers preceded Christopher Columbus to North America and became Algonquin chiefs.
Peter DiGangi, director of Canada's Algonquin Nation Secretariat in Quebec, called claims in the book, the "Arab World Studies Notebook," "preposterous" and "outlandish," saying nothing in the tribe's written or oral history support them.
The 540-page book says the Muslim explorers married into the Algonquin tribe, resulting in 17th-century tribal chiefs named Abdul-Rahim and Abdallah Ibn Malik.
Mr. DiGangi said the guide's author and editor, Audrey Shabbas, and the Middle East Policy Council (MEPC), a Washington advocacy group that promoted the curriculum to school districts in 155 U.S. cities, have been unresponsive to his concerns since November.
But Ms. Shabbas said this week the passage was removed immediately from subsequent copies, and that she was "giving careful and thoughtful attention" on how to notify the 1,200 teachers who have been given copies of the book in the past five years.
"As the editor of the 'Notebook,' when I heard from Mr. DiGangi that a citation in the work was not borne out by either Native American written records or by oral traditions, I was grateful that the statement could so easily be removed," she said.
She did not explain how the false information got into the curriculum...etc etc...

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040416-120208-4455r.htm

[Cronos]

Yes, Ja, Oui, Si, Tag.

[bayouranger]

Paid whores and traitors in the MSM.

>They've always been in our side, but there's a new form of infomation that they cannot hide: You and I, here, on FR!

We bring new things to life, politically. They can say all they want, but the US POP is very aware of the nature of islam, and they do not like it at all. Hell, just try to tell someone how to vote..you'll see what I mean.

[Fred Nerks]

I also see your point. Don't gloss over or try to whitewash the atrocities committed by muslims daily. Worldwide.

We can't save the young ones from the truth. Without scaring them, we should let them know that some people do really hate us, they hate our way of life, and want to take our freedoms away from us.

As for the adults, that deliberately hide their heads in the sand, and pretend it's not happening, or those who would prefer to shoot the messenger, time, and the mindset of the terrorists will catch up with them. Cowards can't hide from the truth forever.

[bayouranger]

Ms. Shabbas said this week the passage was removed immediately from subsequent copies, and that she was "giving careful and thoughtful attention" on how to notify the 1,200 teachers who have been given copies of the book in the past five years.


Easy, she should tell them that islam flourishes with lies, such as these in the books that were printed and give to the school children, that's how! WTF?! I'm amazed that she even confronted what was done to deceive through indoctrination. Kudos to her!

[bayouranger]

We can't save the young ones from the truth. Without scaring them, we should let them know that some people do really hate us, they hate our way of life, and want to take our freedoms away from us.

> I'm 31, and in no way unable to take the fight to the next level, but that's what I want to see avoided through education/the truth. My OWN FAMILY tells me to take it lightly, but they refuse to see what is going on every day in the world. I try, and dear Lord I try, to let people know what is ahead of us. Suttle, unimposing but emotionally expressive in describing islams goal for dar-el-harb. Their intentions are clear. Why shouldn't our be?

[Fred Nerks]

I keep articles like that on Save and share them when a particular subject comes up. I have a virtual library on tap.

I wanted to add, one needs to use humour. For what can withstand being made a laughing stock?

Khomeini said islam was a serious business. Well, so is a regular bowel movement!

[bayouranger]

I keep articles like that on Save and share them when a particular subject comes up. I have a virtual library on tap

I need a library card to your V-Library!

[Fred Nerks]

I would be happy to share it with you, but you would need to find the time to read each article...I started collecting items of interest in 2001, and saved the links. I would be quite happy to Freepmail you a few that I think are the most informative and interesting.
Let me know if you would like me to do that.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

bookmark

[Dark Skies]

Did I do that?

[higgmeister]

"The Mormons committed a number of crimes, especially once they were in Utah. ... This is what prompted US military intervention against them, and rightly so."

doesn't make it true for the Mormons

Mark Twain chronicled it in his "Roughing It"

Appendix. A.

Brief Sketch of Mormon History.

B. The Mountain Meadows Massacre

Remember Sam Clemens was a reporter before he became famous for his novels.

[jan in Colorado]

Glad to be here too, bayouranger. Sorry I was so late. This is quite a thread, and finally the white elephant in the room, (or should I say country), is being discussed!

The power that islam has already achieved in this Country is very disturbing to me.! How is it that the press, in THIS country, has self censored themselves and given up the freedom of speech AND the press? The fact that they are willing to NOT publish those cartoons, reveals what cowards and hypocrites they really are. It also shows the intense fear that already exists here of islam.

Once they achieve passing hate crime legislation prohibiting any criticism of islam, that will be the beginning of the end. We think that can NEVER happen here? Who would have believed that the newspapers in this Country would refuse to run a cartoon?

This offends Muslims?

THIS OFFENDS ME!

I WILL NEVER FORGET THE 3,OOO Innocent civilians killed in the name of Allah! The outrage over a cartoon and the celebration over September 11th, exposes the essence of this cult.

Islam is unadulterated EVIL!

[jan in Colorado]

Why MUST islam be obliterated?

Islam is the enemy of:
FREEDOM, LIBERTY,HUMANITY,PEACE,and LOVE,and it is the ultimate enemy of the

FREEDOM of RELIGION.

September 11, 2001 introduced us to what they will do in the name of Allah.

How soon so many have forgotten!

They gave us a wakeup call...do we really need another one?

Video clip of 9/11

NEVER FORGET!

[bayouranger]

It also shows the intense fear that already exists here of islam.

Fear is one of islams major tools in suppression of the truth. Once they see that people are hesitant to openly debate/ read/ publish the true nature of the lie that islam has kept from them, they jump on the offensive. For instance, the article on "Arab Americans" claiming a sense of bigotry against them in the US now. That alone causes people to avoid being called a racist, which is so PC of them to cover their ears/eyes to the truth, really! It's childish to avoid a topic for fear of an undeserving name only throw at them to keep the eyes off the real subject: Islam, and the crimes committed on behalf of their "perfect prophet". What's wrong with these people?!

[jan in Colorado]

Once they see that people are hesitant to openly debate/ read/ publish the true nature of the lie that islam has kept from them, they jump on the offensive.

BINGO!!!

Fear is their ally to gain strength and power, and Political Correctness is one of the means by which they will accomplish their agenda.

CAIR and the ACLU are growing more powerful every day.

Have you seen this thread?

Public School Caves to Religious Group (no suprise-the religion is Islam)

How can this happen in America?

[bayouranger]

How can this happen in America?

Good Q! I can only say that some people lack the intestinal fortitude required to confront the enemies of America.

[Hill of Tara]

"Islam must be wiped off the face of this earth. The best thing that will ever happen to Muslims, will be their emancipation from islam!"

Agreed. The Muzzies will realize they are truly free (and had been enslaved by islam) when they are freed from the chains of Islam.