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France's Le Pen To Strike a Deal With Muslims
The New York Sun ^ | 2/17/06 | MICHEL GURFINKIEL

Posted on 02/18/2006 8:53:19 PM PST by dervish

It looks like a political oxymoron, but Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front is poised to strike an alliance with France's large immigrant Muslim community.

A generation after France's right-wing party began its surge with a tough anti-immigration campaign tinged with both racism and anti-Semitism, three factors are coming into play that could spell a strategic realignment.

These factors, which are still little grasped outside political circles in France but will have an enormous impact, include:

* The Islamicization of France is largely a fait accompli. It is assumed that 6 to 8 million citizens or residents of France, 10% to 13% out of a global population of 62 million, are Muslim by now. And that the Muslim community, being more prolific, is much younger than the rest of the population: As much as 25% of French citizens or residents under 20 is Muslim, with the number reaching 40% or 50% in the big cities.

* The National Front is surprisingly popular among Muslim immigrants or second-generation Muslim citizens. For all its campaigning about immigration, Mr. Le Pen's party has always extended support to Arab and Islamic causes abroad, from Saddam's Iraq to Arafat's or Hamas Palestine, and from Al Qaeda to Iran. And it is as firmly anti-American and anti-Jewish as the Muslim community itself tends to be.

* The attraction of the French far left, which accounts for another 20% of the national vote, toward Islam, rabid anti-Americanism, and even anti-Semitism, a phenomenon underscored by the emergence of Dieudonne, a former liberal music-hall humorist who has turned into an enormously popular French equivalent of Louis Farrakhan.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; dieudonne; eurabia; eurosceptic; france; islamist; islamization; lepen; muslim; nationalfront; neofascists; philippedevilliers
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1 posted on 02/18/2006 8:53:22 PM PST by dervish
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To: dervish

So le Pen's hatred of Jews and Americans trumps his hatred of Moslems... a delightful character indeed.


2 posted on 02/18/2006 8:55:29 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: dervish

Eurabia here we come.


3 posted on 02/18/2006 8:57:15 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (But even if he does not...)
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To: SunkenCiv; Do not dub me shapka broham; Convert from ECUSA; Vicomte13; Alouette; SJackson
"The Christian right-wingers - who may have provided more than 50% of the party activists and more than 50% of the voters - are horrified, feel betrayed and have started deserting en masse. Many are turning to Philippe de Villiers, France's chief Eurosceptic, who is quickly reorganizing his own party, Mouvement Pour la France or MPF, into a nativist, Christian-minded, anti-Muslim group."
4 posted on 02/18/2006 8:57:22 PM PST by dervish ("And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?")
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To: dervish; Alouette; SJackson; MadIvan; All

Don't tell me they surrender????


5 posted on 02/18/2006 8:57:40 PM PST by SevenofNine (I'd rather hunt with Dick Cheney than ride with Ted Kennedy)
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To: Unam Sanctam
So le Pen's hatred of Jews and Americans trumps his hatred of Moslems... a delightful character indeed.

So French Jews were not so smart when they were opposing his program to limit Muslim immigration?

6 posted on 02/18/2006 8:58:32 PM PST by A. Pole (Milosevic: "And when they behead your own people [...] then you will know what this was all about.")
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To: SevenofNine

Don't tell me you're surprised.


7 posted on 02/18/2006 8:59:27 PM PST by null and void (before the darkness there's a moment of light, when everything seems so clear)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Yes, check out my remarks to Critical Bill, #33 under "Muslim immigrants will be expelled from Europe". I think that pretty well sums up the French/Euro situation.


8 posted on 02/18/2006 9:06:58 PM PST by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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To: T.L.Sink
Would it kill you to post a link?
9 posted on 02/18/2006 9:15:05 PM PST by null and void (before the darkness there's a moment of light, when everything seems so clear)
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To: SevenofNine

Yep they surrender


10 posted on 02/18/2006 9:20:29 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Every single troll is now an enemy of the Republic!)
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To: A. Pole; dervish
Le Pen is a despicable, chauvinistic Frenchman, and a blatant anti-Semite.

He's in the same vein as Lavel, Petain, Mitterand, De Gaulle and almost every other bigoted, cowardly, appeasement-minded slimeball that has led that country in the 20th century, with the possible exception of Leon Blum.

There are some Jewish voters in Beligium that aligned themselves with the Vlaams Bloc, but I think that was more of a temporary alliance of necessity.

If there was a genuinely democratic, conservative, philosemitic, patriotic party-which explicitly rejected Europe's past association with Nazism and fascism, and demanded that the Islamic fifth column be forced to either assimilate or emigrate-then I'm sure it would have the support of the remaining European Jewry, although I don't see that happening any time soon.

I've read about Megret's break with the FN-years ago-but I wasn't aware of a new political schism.

11 posted on 02/18/2006 9:21:39 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: Unam Sanctam

The world is truly coming to an end....


12 posted on 02/18/2006 9:23:30 PM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham; A. Pole; dervish
Indeed, the "right" in France bears no resemblence to the American right.

The right in France has always been statist, often ultramontane Catholic, and, even before Vichy and Petain, had close ties to the Action Francaise, the French fascist movement. This right has always been hostile to America and its classical liberal values, just as since the 19th century and the Bourbon restoration it has been hostile to the notions of liberty and equality before the law which came out of the Enlightenment. The French right is actually probably more despicable than the French left.

13 posted on 02/18/2006 9:32:19 PM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: T.L.Sink

agreed ... a mark steyn post on FR explained that the reason Britain became the dominant power was because it conquered infant mortality first, leading, eventually, to a demography where the population was at least 5o percent under the age of 20. This led to a desire of the youth to expand out of the country resulting in the conquering of the new continent... as of now, many european countries have and aging population with no one to replace the tax base to pay for social goodies; Yemen has a 47% population 20 and under... Q:where are they going to go? A: whereever they want


14 posted on 02/18/2006 9:35:48 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (But even if he does not...)
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To: null and void

My computer skills are a little primitive - do you mean a link to Commentary or something else?


15 posted on 02/18/2006 9:36:48 PM PST by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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The Man Who Would Be le Président (Nicholas Sarkozy alert)
The Weekly Standard | 2/27/2006 (weekly issue) | Christopher Caldwell
Posted on 02/18/2006 9:00:13 AM EST by Dark Skies
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1581053/posts


16 posted on 02/18/2006 9:37:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's a big planet. We're willing to share. They're not. Out they go.)
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To: CatoRenasci
In terms of "mainstream" parties, you're probably right.

As much as I disagreed with Lionel Jospin on policy, I still had a modicum of respect for him as a statesmen, and even admired a few of his stances, e.g. his request-met by a rain of stones, of course-that Hezbollah cease terrorizing innocent Israeli citizens.

I can't say the same for Chirac, De Villepin, Aliot, or any of the other thoroughly contemptible leading members of the UMP, Nicholas Sarkozy being the sole exception.

17 posted on 02/18/2006 9:41:21 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("The moment that someone wants to forbid caricatures, that is the moment we publish them.")
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To: T.L.Sink
Ah. I provided a link to your post #33 on that thread.

I've got a quick guide to some simple HTML, if you are interested.

Nully's FR HTML Guide

18 posted on 02/18/2006 9:48:29 PM PST by null and void (before the darkness there's a moment of light, when everything seems so clear)
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To: dervish; rmlew; Clemenza; MadIvan; David Hunter

I think Churchill would call this feeding the alligators hoping they'll eat you last.


19 posted on 02/18/2006 9:49:27 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: CatoRenasci; Do not dub me shapka broham

As in the US there seems to be a trend of the far right and the far left joining causes. Politics of late seem more circular than linear. It's basically an alliance of hate forces.


20 posted on 02/18/2006 9:50:42 PM PST by dervish ("And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?")
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