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Circumcision battle lands parents of eight-year-old in US court
AFP ^ | 18 Feb 2006 | AFP

Posted on 02/18/2006 6:34:25 PM PST by dpa5923

CHICAGO (AFP) - A clash over of their son's circumcision has landed the parents of an eight-year-old Illinois boy in a US court where there is no apparent precedent.

A Cook County judge ordered the mother in the case not to have her son circumcised until the court can hear arguments from the child's father, who opposes the operation, and decide if it is in the boy's best interest.

Jews and Muslims circumcise their sons for religious reasons.

But this case instead involves shifting medical and cultural preferences, which have recently become a matter of debate in the United States.

The mother, 31, is a homemaker from Northbrook, Illinois. She says two doctors recommended the procedure for health reasons.

But her ex-husband, 49, a building manager in Arlington Heights, Illinois, has called the procedure an "unnecessary amputation" that could cause his son physical and emotional harm.

In the 1900s, surgical circumcision, in which the foreskin of the penis is removed usually before a newborn leaves the hospital, was the norm in the United States.

But the percentage of US babies being circumcised has plunged from an estimated 90 percent in 1970 to some 60 percent now, data show.

The American Academy of Pediatrics no longer recommends routine neonatal circumcision but says the decision should be left to the parents. That has added fuel to the fire where until recently there was little debate on the issue at all among the US Christian majority.

Some staunch opponents of the procedure see it as akin to female genital mutilation. They argue that the procedure is medically unnecessary and morally wrong. Still others have launched support groups for those who have been circumcised and would rather not have been; some have even pursued surgical options for restoration.

Legal experts however say that there are no published US opinions to serve as precedents in this case. As such it normally would be determined based on the best interests of the child.

When the divorced parents appeared Friday in Cook County Circuit Court, Judge Jordan Kaplan got the two sides to agree that the child would not be circumcised "until further order of (the) court."

He also also ordered them not to discuss the case with their child.

Tracy Rizzo, an attorney for the mother, said the father scared the child by telling him frightening stories about what might happen if he were circumcised.

The father's lawyers, John D'Arco and Alan Toback, have argued that the couple's divorce agreement provides that the father must be consulted before any non-emergency medical care.

Male circumcision is much more widespread in the United States, Canada, and the Middle East than in Asia, South America, Central America, and most of Europe.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: circumcision; familycourt; nannystate
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To: sandbar
First of all, what loon would go through the process to have foreskin reattached/stretched?

Good question!

Second, it was my understanding that muslims do NOT circumsize as was the difference between Abraham's children being jews. Am I incorrect?

I have read that Muslims do, see http://www.cirp.org/library/legal/QLRC/02.html

41 posted on 02/18/2006 6:51:56 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: Chiapet

You object to circumcisions being done to babies...may I ask why?


42 posted on 02/18/2006 6:52:00 PM PST by Arpege92 ("Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." Thomas Mann)
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To: Abcdefg

>>>I agree. Leave the kid alone. He can decide for himself when he attains the age of majority.>>>

"She says two doctors recommended the procedure for health reasons."

Ohh goody, another one who didn't read the article!


43 posted on 02/18/2006 6:52:12 PM PST by sandbar
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To: Chiapet

See post 39.


44 posted on 02/18/2006 6:52:12 PM PST by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: Chiapet
The mother wants to have her 8 year old son circumsised? I object to doing it to babies, but at least they don't remember it. An 8 year old boy though, if it happens, you know he'll never forget that one. Geez, does his mom really hate him (or her ex-husband) that much? What a bitch.

Maybe she just wants to make sure her son is acceptable to the likes of sandbar

45 posted on 02/18/2006 6:52:59 PM PST by bikepacker67 (Mohammed's Mother wears Army Boots)
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To: Chiapet
The mother wants to have her 8 year old son circumsised? I object to doing it to babies, but at least they don't remember it. An 8 year old boy though, if it happens, you know he'll never forget that one. Geez, does his mom really hate him (or her ex-husband) that much? What a bitch.

Maybe she just wants to make sure her son is acceptable to the likes of sandbar

46 posted on 02/18/2006 6:53:00 PM PST by bikepacker67 (Mohammed's Mother wears Army Boots)
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To: Philistone

"If it wasn't done at birth. leave it alone."

Hey, it can't be any worse than getting your tonsils out.


47 posted on 02/18/2006 6:53:07 PM PST by frankjr
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To: Philistone

>>>If it wasn't done at birth. leave it alone.>>>

"She says two doctors recommended the procedure for health reasons."

And yet another commenting without reading the article.


48 posted on 02/18/2006 6:53:15 PM PST by sandbar
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To: frankjr
I'm not going to go dredge up cites now (this is all from a long thread last Summer) but there was a meta analysis showing HIV to postitivalyt correlated with African circumcision...anyway the situation in Africa...and "AIDS" in Africa has nothing to do with HIV infection in the US and Europe. Circumcision in the US has been positively associated with homosexuality and (ironically because it was promoted originally as preventing) masturbation. Among homosexuals in the US and Briton, circumcision is positively correlated with HIV infection. Reports of men who have had it done indicate a loss of sexual sensation and satisfaction.

While not common, infections and even major loss of penis tissue occurs, which has resulted in attempted male to female sex surgery.

Any kid who has the end of his penis whacked off should get to sue the doctor and any medical facility; and the maker of any device used, or A LOT of money.

49 posted on 02/18/2006 6:53:30 PM PST by MRMEAN (Corruptisima republica plurimae leges. -- Tacitus)
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To: sandbar

Have you always been a sadist?


50 posted on 02/18/2006 6:53:46 PM PST by bikepacker67 (Mohammed's Mother wears Army Boots)
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To: bikepacker67

I think you are arguing with me and I don't know why?


51 posted on 02/18/2006 6:54:31 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..".Liberty is the right and hope of all humanity"GW Bush)
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To: Arpege92

>>>Yes, I agree eight years old is a little late, which is why I asked if they numb the area.>>>

I would imagine at 8, it would be an outpatient surgery with some form of anesthethia (sp), but the article states that two doctors have recommended it for health reasons. It ain't for looks, it's medical.


52 posted on 02/18/2006 6:54:43 PM PST by sandbar
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To: sandbar

It appears most people have not read the article. This is why I hate Headline news and the USA Today. Most people are too busy (cough, cough lazy) to read the entire article and get their news from a carefully written and biased headline.


53 posted on 02/18/2006 6:55:03 PM PST by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Sorry dude.. things are moving fast, and I picked the wrong target.


54 posted on 02/18/2006 6:55:42 PM PST by bikepacker67 (Mohammed's Mother wears Army Boots)
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To: sandbar

Does this mean you are in favor of the circumcision of other people's sons?


55 posted on 02/18/2006 6:55:52 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: Arpege92

Because it is absolutely unecessary. I just cannot imagine putting a baby through that kind of pain for what amount to aesthetic reasons.


56 posted on 02/18/2006 6:56:09 PM PST by Chiapet (As a well-spent day brings happy sleep, so a life well-spent brings happy death. -Da Vinci)
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To: Arpege92

>>>Sandbar...I agree. I prefer my man to be cut. But hey, each to his/her own right.>>>

Yep, I'm sure there are a few women who are the other way, but what the hey, there is someone for everyone, haha.


57 posted on 02/18/2006 6:56:17 PM PST by sandbar
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To: frankjr

You can do something because the Bible tells you to, or you can wait for the final science to come in and give its verdict. Same result!


58 posted on 02/18/2006 6:56:32 PM PST by guitarist
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To: trashcanbred; All
"First of all, what loon would go through the process to have foreskin reattached/stretched?"

errrr....Michael Jackson?

59 posted on 02/18/2006 6:56:52 PM PST by Al Simmons ("Only those are fit to live who do not fear to die" - Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: sandbar

Let's get something straight here smartass, I was circumcised at that age. Now, I don't need to read the article.

To coin a phrase, find a box, jump up and kiss my shiny ass.

Oh, since you're so educated, don't end a sentence with a preposition.

Of is a preposition, and since you're the expert on genital mutilation, it could explain why you probably shyed away from P.E. in school.


60 posted on 02/18/2006 6:57:11 PM PST by Hilltop
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