Thank You.
Posted on 02/17/2006 6:08:54 PM PST by kronos77
It was 36 years after the death of Mohammed (632 A.D.) that a Muslim army first laid siege to the eastern gateway to Europe, Constantinople (now Istanbul).
After that, Islamic armies battled Europeans in Spain, Portugal, France, Italy, Sicily, Austria, Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia, Hungary, Rumania, Wallachia, Albania, Moldavia, Bulgaria, Greece, Armenia, Georgia, Poland, Ukraine and Russia.
"From the fury of the Mohammedan, spare us, O’Lord," was a common prayer uttered in European churches for centuries.
Spain was occupied by Muslims for 800 years, Portugal 600, Greece 500, Sicily 300, Serbia 400, Bulgaria 500 and Hungary 150 years.
Western occupation of Muslim lands lasted less than 150 years. Muslims forced Europeans in conquered territories to renounce Christianity and embrace Islam. Muslims in territories occupied by Europeans kept their religion.*
So yes, Mr. Buchanan, it is possible that Europeans might have a keener sensitivity to the Islamic dynamic than Americans. As clumsy and offensive as the Danish cartoon contest might have been, we owe a debt to the European media for reminding us who we are supposed to be.
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Thank You.
Short story on Balkan issues with islam and Why just Europeans disslike Islam.
talk is cheap, I want to see Europe actually start doing something.
They will start "doing something". They will shut down newspapers and broadcast outlets that offend Mohammedans. Europe has been in full cower mode for a long time.
"Spain was occupied by Muslims for 800 years, Portugal 600, Greece 500, Sicily 300, Serbia 400, Bulgaria 500 and Hungary 150 years."
I've always wondered why some white countries seem to lag so far behind the rest. One day I made a list of those countries that seemed a little backward and looked into their history, the common denominator appeared to be Islam.
We're no better. You can count the U.S. papers that printed the cartoons on one hand. Unfortunately, the U.S. is on the same course as Europe, just 50 years behind.
Because elites poison populist culture for their own celebrity and personal profit. They do this by exploiting professional talent, for which that talent is paid a fair sum.
Not to say they don't believe their own lies. They often do.
"Spain was occupied by Muslims for 800 years, Portugal 600, Greece 500, Sicily 300, Serbia 400, Bulgaria 500 and Hungary 150 years."
I've always wondered why some white countries seem to lag so far behind the rest. One day I made a list of those countries that seemed a little backward and looked into their history, the common denominator appeared to be Islam.
"Sicily 300 years" Well, after 300 years of TROP,
Sicilians aren't exactly the most "peaceful" people on Earth (and you know what I mean by THAT!;)))
"We're no better. You can count the U.S. papers that printed the cartoons on one hand. Unfortunately, the U.S. is on the same course as Europe, just 50 years behind."
Yeah, but it's a business decision for US papers. While they have no compunctions about offending the sensibilities of Jews and Christians, but they won't print the cartoons because Mohammedan terrorism works.
Whoa!
You mean to say their guy is DEAD?!?
How can you expect anything eternal from a dead guy...
...makes no sense to me at all!
imo
During the period of the Reconquista (which began when King San Cho Noe I came from Cornwall, founded Castile, Leon and Carvajal, and started making some serious raids on more Southerly kingdoms) towns and territories passed back and forth from Christian to Moslem rulers, and vice versa.
In the end, Cornwall prevailed and Spain was taken.
During most of the period of serious Islamic presence in Spain, it was the wealthiest and most powerful economic entity in Western Europe. At the end of that period, Ferdinand and Isabella ruled the most powerful military power in all of Europe, and shortly thereafter the most powerful colonial power in the history of the world.
Not sure where you get the idea that having Islam around hurt the economy, political life, or power of Spain, in the aggregate.
It was only after massive emigration to America that Spain "slipped".
When I look at the modern world the common factor among lessor accomplished white countries, is that they have been ruled by Muslims.
Odakle si?
""Sicily 300 years" Well, after 300 years of TROP,
Sicilians aren't exactly the most "peaceful" people on Earth (and you know what I mean by THAT"
Look at the worlds nations and you can somewhat measure the failings of a present day country by the amount of time it has spent under Mohammedan rule. The countries that have been under it the longest, (the Arab countries)are frozen in some raw, dark, distant era of maybe 2 to 4 centuries ago.
Well, actually, Spain and Portugal were in the forefront of naviagtion and exploration for many years and the Spanish militry was a formidiable foe on the European continent. After the Muslims were driven from Sicily and southren Italy by the Normans, the Normans set up a relatively progressive state which was a center of learning and from which many soldiers like Tancred came to fight in the later crusades for the Holy Land.
Hungary was the only Country in Europe which ALMOST beat the Mongols.
The biggest impact on the west was in the Balkans but tha was because Islam was entrenched there until fairly recently under the Ottoman Turks.
But in general I have to agree with you - Islam in the long run was a bad thing. The Muslims were great on passing on some of the knowledge of the ancient world, but aside from Algebra and Arabic numerals, they have not goen us much more - maybe dates, camels and coffee.
The Sicilian personality was shaped by millenia of occupation by foreign powers - the Greeks, Cathaginians, Romans, Vandals, Byzantines, Moors, Normans, French, Spanish, Italians.
They learned they are better ways of dealing with foreign occupying powers than confronting them directly when you don;t have the military strenght to do so. Sicilians are patient and believe vengeance is a dish best served cold.
They are not as pusillanimous as the Italians.
"During the period of the Reconquista (which began when King San Cho Noe I came from Cornwall, .............Cornwall prevailed and Spain was taken."
HUH?? This is news to me. Its my understanding that not all of Spain was taken over by the Moors - but most of it was. A few isloated Visigothic kingdoms remained in the north and from these the Reconquista was launched. Rodrigeuz comes from the good Germanic name of Roderick, not from a Celtic name, although there were Celts in northern Spain (Gallicia) well before the Romans took over there and I suppose their blood still runs in the veins of northern Spaniards.
I have to agree with you that culture did thrive in Spain uner the Moors, but that doesn't mean that the native Christian Spaniards did. And I do agree that Spain recovered to become a great world power - the forst in the modern era.
I doubt if most Spaniards of the time wept any tears over the fall of Granada. I certainly don't.
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