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Federalist Patriot bashes Abe Linclon
2/17/06 | Mobile Vulgus

Posted on 02/17/2006 5:47:19 PM PST by Mobile Vulgus

I don't know how many of you get the Federalist Patriot report via email, but it is a great source of conservative news and opinion that all of you should get.

You can find their site at:

http://patriotpost.us/

Anyway, even though I support them, they sent out an email today that bashed Abe Lincoln fiercely. I was so moved to annoyance by their biased and ill thought out email that I had to write them and say how disappointed I was.

You can go to their site and see the anti-Lincoln screed that they put out to know exactly what I am replying to if you desire to do so.

Now, I know some of you freepers are primo confederate apologists so I thought this would stir debate on freerepublic!!

Now, let the fur fly as we KNOW it must...


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KEYWORDS: abelincoln; civilwar; federalistpatriot; lincoln
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Let's do it...though I seriously doubt that you will actually read this in its entirety.

As I've managed Locke, Batiste, Montague and am currently wading through Blackstone's Commentaries, I think I can comprehend it.

Any further reply will have to wait until tomorrow, though.

I have family obligations at the moment.

221 posted on 02/22/2006 6:09:10 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a ~legal entity~, nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: Dawgreg
Hello stan......and why did Lincoln think secession was RIGHT in 1848 and NOT 1861

No, Lincoln said that revolution was a right. But he didn't say winning your rebellion was a right, too. And in the end you lost.

222 posted on 02/22/2006 6:11:23 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: MamaTexan
By law, any contract voluntarily entered can also be voluntarily exited upon legal notice.

But with the exception of the first 13, states didn't voluntarily enter into anything. They were admitted, and only with the permission of a majority of the other states as expressed by a vote in both houses of Congress. So if the approval of the other states is needed to become a state in the first place then why isn't the approval of the other states needed to leave?

223 posted on 02/22/2006 6:14:31 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Point out then where it says the States (one and all) had no right to secede.

Point out to me where the Constitution says that the other states cannot band together and expel a state from the Union without its permission. Chapter and verse.

224 posted on 02/22/2006 6:18:13 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Dawgreg
Boy do I. If it ain't a hurricane right in our back yard, it's a new grandbaby. I've been in Dallas more in the last few months than home. Shoot! I thought there for a minute I might have to change my voter registration to Kaufman County!

LOL.... and Congratulations!

225 posted on 02/22/2006 6:28:22 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a ~legal entity~, nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

But we're rising again......*~*.


226 posted on 02/22/2006 7:50:52 PM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: MamaTexan
"But being separate from the body of the Constitution, it carrys NO legal weight."

Where does it say that in The Constitution?

227 posted on 02/22/2006 7:54:32 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT; fortheDeclaration
"Point out then where it says the States (one and all) had no right to secede."

Section 10. [1] No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation.

228 posted on 02/22/2006 7:59:57 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Dawgreg

Actually it was a deluded bunch of slavers which were the problem. Their utter grasp of reality destroyed the South's chances to progress for the next hundred years. Their conspiracy to destroy the RAT party and elect Lincoln achieved precisely their intended result. An attempt to annull a proper election and separation. Using invalid constitutional excuses
they were responsible for the death and destruction.

Their is no equality of blame. Only John Brown was as deluded.


229 posted on 02/22/2006 8:01:53 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Ditto

I have seen no evidence that Jefferson actually opposed ratification and doubt Washington would have put him in Cabinet if he had. I am fairly sure he would have had he been in the country. Thank God he was not.


230 posted on 02/22/2006 8:03:51 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: WayneS

That was always one of Hamilton's greatest worries. He knew the danger to the whole Empire of Liberty he strove for was an ability to walk away. A statesman of his foresight also knew that not one of the states could be able to seperate without absorption into one of the empires contesting for the continent.

This was one of the most weighty of the reasons Hamilton and Madison had worked incessently since 1782 for the Convention. Strengthening the Union "a more perfect Union" was the ONLY concern of the Convention. This impulse is utterly incompatible with the idea that unilateral seperation was even conceivable to them except as the most deadly of threats to the Empire of Liberty. Using extra legal means and open warfare would have been even more inconceivable given the excuse for revolution, oppression without representation, simply was not present in any form.

Hamilton gave the longest speech of the Convention and tried to push it as far to the right as he could believing that the great danger was weakness "imbecility" in the national government. But interestingly enough Madison at that time was more Hamiltonian than Hamilton and made equally radical suggestions for curbing the states power of the states and centralizing power. Hamilton's remark about the problem of using federal military intervention during the debate wherein Madison advocated just that. Only after Jefferson's return did Madison swing left and into, imo, error. Hamilton played "Bad Cop" very well at the Convention and drove a compromise which just barely strenghtened the government sufficiently to survive.


231 posted on 02/22/2006 8:27:13 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: MamaB; M. Espinola

The southern economy before the civil war was cotton based. The cotton industry was based on slave labor. Take away slavery and the southern economy would collapse.


232 posted on 02/22/2006 11:34:11 PM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf (http://bloodlesslinchpinsofislamicterrorism.blogspot.com))
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To: tkathy
Take away slavery and the southern economy would collapse.

Why? Would all the blacks simply vanish? The fact is that most blacks stayed near their homes, becoming paid farm laborers or sharecroppers. By 1870, I believe, cotton production was back to pre-war levels. The reason it didn't help the south much was that the price of cotton had collapsed, with Indian and Egyptian cotton coming into the world market.

What would be threatened was the capital that the south had tied up in slaves, an asset second only to land in total value.

233 posted on 02/23/2006 12:16:05 AM PST by Heyworth
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To: Dawgreg
But we're rising again......*~*.

Taking your sweet time about it, aren't you?

234 posted on 02/23/2006 3:37:58 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Heyworth

It is impossible to look back at times when there was little mass communication, little mass transportation, all warfare was brutal, and fought to the death.

No one knows the true motives of most of those in power.

It was a complicated tragedy for both sides, including my ancestors who fought and died to keep the union together and to end slavery once and for all.


235 posted on 02/23/2006 4:09:00 AM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf (http://bloodlesslinchpinsofislamicterrorism.blogspot.com))
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Point out then where it says the States (one and all) had no right to secede." Section 10. [1] No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation.

Even the Confederates had this in their Constitution!

236 posted on 02/23/2006 4:33:38 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Gal. 4:16)
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To: WayneS

You didn't. But you compaired divorce to unilateral secession.


237 posted on 02/23/2006 4:43:32 AM PST by Ditto
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To: MamaTexan
It wasn't a revolution. A revolution is an attempt to overthrow a government

The Patriots of 1776 were not trying to overthrow King George.

238 posted on 02/23/2006 4:44:55 AM PST by Ditto
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Sad thing, as you probably know,is that only 10% of Southerners owned slaves to begin with. I think there was enough blame to go around on both sides.


239 posted on 02/23/2006 4:45:37 AM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

That's a low blow N/S. Every community in every state has it's problems but I believe the South has made sea changes in past years toward leveling the playing field for all people. Sure, there will always be the ignorant, intolerant types everywhere but if given a choice, the South will always closest to my heart.


240 posted on 02/23/2006 4:53:46 AM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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