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Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld Says Extremists Winning Media War
Yahoo News ^ | 2/17/06 | AMY WESTFELDT

Posted on 02/17/2006 2:03:38 PM PST by Libloather

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To: Libloather

heh heh... gotta love it when rumsfeld bashes the government.


21 posted on 02/17/2006 3:59:46 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/israel_palestine_conflict.htm)
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To: My2Cents; traviskicks; Liz; Howlin; ALOHA RONNIE; RonDog; MurryMom
My thought exactly. I think Rumsfeld was subtley suggesting the same.


"Yes. Does David Gregory have a question he didn't ask three days ago?"


22 posted on 02/17/2006 5:23:39 PM PST by Libloather (I maybe a little off. I've got a touch of that bird flu...)
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To: Libloather
aristides said . . .

If I were the State Department, I would develop a brutal sense of humor. I would focus that sense of humor, not on religious icons, but on leaders. I would lampoon those leaders in a way that nobody in the society is allowed to do. I would empower the people by being their voice by proxy. I would eliminate fear by laughing at it.

Underneath it all would be the message of freedom, because we do what they are unable to do for themselves. When the propagandists are wrong, make fun of them for it. When they are right, make fun of them for it. When they are silent, make fun of them for it.

23 posted on 02/17/2006 5:28:39 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: PsyOp
Seven Lessons Iran has Learned from Operation Iraqi Freedom
24 posted on 02/17/2006 6:02:49 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Libloather
"In some cases, military public affairs officials have had little communications training and little, if any, grounding in the importance of timing and rapid response, and the realities of digital and broadcast media," he said.

The government's public affairs system is antiquated, he said, working mostly on an eight-hour, five-days-a-week schedule that cannot keep up with the rest of the world.

That, and most people assigned to PAO duty are put there because commanders fear that they might screw up something "really important." You tend to get the same sort of flacks that failing corporations have -- giggling, dizzy blonde bimbos. At the Pentagon they do understand this enough to make combat officers the senior spokesmen. But at the unit and post level, where a "career" PAO is not in place, the PAO is usually the most expendable officer, and the career" PAOs are among the least intelligent, least well read, and worst-educated officers and NCOs in the military.

(For reasons I don't know, maybe because their mission is always "on," the Coast Guard is an exception. When a Coast Guard PAO addresses the media or public, he or she has the facts in hand, and the background knowledge to explain the facts. And they're usually very junior people. Maybe the other services need to send some people to learn from the Coasties).

d.o.l

Criminal Number 18F

25 posted on 02/17/2006 6:33:17 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Windsong

Brit Hume?


26 posted on 02/17/2006 7:17:30 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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Yeah, you rat bastards pick on me all you want, one day I'l be back and then ......


27 posted on 02/17/2006 7:26:11 PM PST by spectr17 (What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?)
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To: Libloather

My thought exactly. I think Rumsfeld was subtley suggesting the same.


"Yes. Does David Gregory have a question he didn't ask three days ago?"







You will only understand the symbolism of the following if you learned
through extraneous history or were old enough to have watched it play out
that Ted Kennedy drove off of a bridge in Massachusetts on his way to an
island with Mary Joe Kopechne in the late 60's.

He did NOT seek help to rescue her when he surfaced. Instead he made his
way to a hotel, called friends and the next morning reported the accident.

She was, needless to say, both dead and wet. Kennedy faced no type of
any censure or reprimand, much less any legal punishment for this negligent
act of manslaughter.

Kennedy power extends wide in that part of America. You have got to the
chutzpah of Rumsfeld.


February 05, 2004

Rumsfeld: Kennedy 'All Wet' About Bush Lies

(5 Feb 2004) -- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Sen Edward M.
Kennedy yesterday that he was "all wet" when the Senator alleged that the
Bush administration lied about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction to
justify
going to war.

The verbal clash came during Mr. Rumsfeld's testimony at a Senate Armed
Services Committee hearing probing the state of pre-war intelligence.

Sen. Kennedy began his questioning of the Defense Secretary by saying,
"Don't you think some members of the Bush administration should be held
legally accountable for the lies they told about Iraqi weapons, and the
subsequent cover-up?"

"First, with all due respect Senator Kennedy, you're all wet," said Mr.
Rumsfeld . "The administration has not lied or covered up. However, in
general I do believe that when a man commits a crime he should face the
bar
of justice. He should not be allowed to serve in positions of power in our
government, and be hailed as a leader, when the question of his guilt
remains unresolved, if you know what I mean."

"I'm sure I do not know what you mean," Mr. Kennedy said. "But the
American
people deserve to know why you can't find Saddam's weapons of mass
destruction."

"Sometimes things are hard to find, even when you know where they are,"
said
Mr. Rumsfeld. "For example, I've heard of a man who missed a bridge and
drove his car into the water, even though he knew where the bridge was.
And
then sometimes you just keep diving into a problem and despite repeated
efforts, you come up empty handed. That doesn't mean that nothing's
there.
As you know, eventually, the truth comes to light."

Having no further questions, Mr. Kennedy yielded the remainder of his
time.


28 posted on 02/17/2006 7:30:06 PM PST by danamco
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To: Sissany; PsyOps; Criminal Number 18F; voice of india
Seems like in the age of 4GW and Assymmetric Warfare PAO slots become too important to success to be filled with second-raters.

Spokespeople do not necessarily have to be servicemembers.

Maybe the brown-suiters ought to specialize in imagery, and take a lot of high-quality pics and make them easily accessible for those who would voluntarily disseminate them.

29 posted on 02/17/2006 7:38:26 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: danamco; Liz; Howlin; ALOHA RONNIE; RonDog
Ted Kennedy drove off of a bridge in Massachusetts on his way to an island with Mary Joe Kopechne in the late 60's.

Would they? Could they?


30 posted on 02/17/2006 8:01:29 PM PST by Libloather (I maybe a little off. I've got a touch of that bird flu...)
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To: Libloather

Related:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1580796/posts
Military Needs Flexibility to Fight Terror, Rumsfeld Says


31 posted on 02/17/2006 8:15:26 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Windsong

Care to explain your reasoning? I want to hear this.


32 posted on 02/17/2006 8:32:45 PM PST by Terpfen (72-25: The Democrats mounted a failibuster!)
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To: Libloather

"Al-Qaida and other Islamic extremist groups have poisoned the Muslim public's view of the United States..."

"Big Media in the United States does their part to help..."

... and extremists in the Democrat party and on the left in America do as well.

An Unholy Trinity.


33 posted on 02/17/2006 9:08:16 PM PST by WOSG
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Thanks for the ping!


34 posted on 02/17/2006 9:39:23 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
An example of a brutal sense of humor:

YAAFM 12: MUSLIMS

35 posted on 02/17/2006 10:21:44 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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excellent!!,I suppose it won't run the Times Discovery channel anytime soon

LMAO!!


36 posted on 02/18/2006 12:08:36 AM PST by Doogle (USAF...8thAF...4077th TFW...408th MMS...Ubon Thailand..."69"..Night Line Delivery,AMMO)
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37 posted on 02/18/2006 1:17:14 AM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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38 posted on 02/18/2006 1:39:47 AM PST by devolve (<-- (-in a manner reminiscent of Senator Gasbag F. Kohnman-)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Good link on Iran. can't find any fault with the reasoning there. It would be nice if we could help fuel a resistence movement in Iran.


39 posted on 02/18/2006 9:15:05 AM PST by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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To: PsyOp
US increases funding for Iranian dissidents
40 posted on 02/18/2006 1:14:09 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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