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Mo. firefighters refuse to help non-member
modbee ^ | 2-16-06

Posted on 02/16/2006 3:52:53 PM PST by LouAvul

Edited on 02/16/2006 6:43:01 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

MONETT, Mo. (AP) - Rural firefighters stood by and watched a fire destroy a garage and a vehicle because the property owner had not paid membership dues.

Bibaldo Rueda - who was injured battling the flames Monday - offered to pay the dues as the fire blazed away, but the Monett Rural Fire Department does not have a policy for on-the-spot billing, Sheriff's Detective Robert Evenson said.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: firefighters; missouri
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To: LouAvul

So much for the title "First Responder".


141 posted on 02/16/2006 5:39:20 PM PST by sayfer bullets
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To: sgtbono2002
We just paid $450,000 for our last piece. But if we left it sitting in the road while someones house burned , what good would it be.

Guess you should have paid that $20!!

I know I am harassing you and adamant about this but is $20 too much to protect your house when these people are losing paid time at their jobs to help you! Of course, no one in the country pays what you paid unless there's a whole lot of land. It's a whole different culture.

142 posted on 02/16/2006 5:39:27 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: Alberta's Child
If that's the case, then the realtor who sold him the property may be liable for the damages here -- under some kind of "full disclosure" law.

Perhaps, but what would be his excuse if he learned after the fact that he moved in next to a state highway project? "Wa'ah, nobody told me, it's not my fault!" God, I'm sick of whining babies, that's all I seem to hear about these days. Where are the men, where are the flippin' grown-ups?

143 posted on 02/16/2006 5:43:02 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: ozarkgirl
Out here in CA, I am in a suburb, but whether in a more city or rural area, we still have service to all emergencies.

Granted, I say if you don't pay your $35 a year then you may get a $4000 bill, but the reason all get service is it degrades the neighborhood if there is a burnt down home with no way of rebuilding it. The city rather have more minor damage than the start of a ghetto on it's hands.

When a home burns down or has the cars up on blocks on the lawn, it brings down the rest of the neighborhood value which then drives away business and other methods of making that neighborhood money and jobs. It is a reverse trickle down issue IMO.

144 posted on 02/16/2006 5:43:28 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ozarkgirl; sgtbono2002

I believe you are missing sgtbono2002's point........$450,000 is what his fire company, a volunteer company, just paid for a piece of equipment.

While I fully understand the analogies being made to insurance, I am still appalled that a fire department, of any kind, would stand around and allow someone's property burn if there was something they could do about it.


145 posted on 02/16/2006 5:45:27 PM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies: small minds buzzing in you business........SWAT'EM)
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To: rwfromkansas
I get it. That doesn't make it right.

As I said, not the system I would pick, but let's consider the following.

1. Citizens of community won't finance a fire department.

2. Some citizens want a department, so they raise money by selling memberships. Not donations, but memberships. The point is that it is insurance. This is the selling point. Otherwise you can't raise the needed funds.

3. Some non-member has a fire. If you respond, you will lose your membership base that will refuse to pay to carry the free-loaders.

So what do you do? Perhaps they could bill out at 40 times the membership dues?

As I said, I don't like systems like this, because it has bad decisions designed into the structure, but I bet the membership rate goes up.

146 posted on 02/16/2006 5:47:48 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: Gabz

If they did it for this guy, they would have to do it for everybody. No one would pay their dues and the fire service would cease to exist.

They should/could have a provision to bill upon arrival, but it better be about 5 times the actual cost of service. We'll put it out, sign here for us to put a lein on your property for $5,000.00. Payment is expected with this years property tax bill.


147 posted on 02/16/2006 5:49:43 PM PST by listenhillary ("Mainstream media" is creating it's own reality~everything sucks)
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To: indcons

Maybe he was pushing his luck like some people in the Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Rita disaster areas. For those who were drug heads, irresponsible and had no insurance; FEMA came through royally. Responsible, tax-paying folks who'd been paying home owners insurance rates for years did not fare nearly as well.

LET ME GO ON RECORD SAYING, I don't feel sorry for this free-loading jerk.


148 posted on 02/16/2006 5:51:53 PM PST by no dems ("99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name." Steven Wright)
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To: LouAvul
Thanks for posting this. I had not heard of of a fire department that required membership since the 19th century. Where I used to live we had a volunteer fire department that covered everyone. The equipment was paid by taxes but most of the fire fighters were unpaid.
149 posted on 02/16/2006 5:52:08 PM PST by KarlInOhio (In this year's White House play, Henry VI part II, VP Cheney got the role of Dick the Butcher.)
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To: SampleMan; All

Would it not be better to have a members coverage and a non members fee?. I agree that everyone should support their volunteer fire department and if this guy was charged for full service, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Neighbors just should not watch their neighbor's property burn up though.


150 posted on 02/16/2006 5:52:11 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: sgtbono2002

The man who refused to pay the protection racket is probably a cheap bastid, but the Fire Chief who would watch this mans property destroyed is no better.

BS. If they had extenguished the fire, how many others would decide they didn't need to pay the next time the dues we're due?


151 posted on 02/16/2006 5:52:45 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: LouAvul
Hmmmmmmmmm.............I wonder.......

I wonder if any of the nozzleheads drum up business by freelancing the initiation of fires.

Yeah, hard to believe. Hose fondlers committing arson. It happens. Too frequently.

152 posted on 02/16/2006 5:53:36 PM PST by Thumper1960 (The enemy within: Demoncrats and DSA.ORG Sedition is a Liberal "family value".)
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To: A CA Guy
Granted, I say if you don't pay your $35 a year then you may get a $4000 bill, but the reason all get service is it degrades the neighborhood if there is a burnt down home with no way of rebuilding it.

Like I said, it's a whole different culture California Guy. He may not have had a neighbor for a mile, or he could have had one within 20'. In my small town, there are no good or bad neighborhoods, one nice house, one not nice. It's a different culture than you are used to full of personal responsibility and treating your neighbor as yourself whether their house is nice or if they are just good and decent poor people. But mostly, if everyone else pays and you don't, then don't expect help, everyone can afford $20 a year. That's what I had to pay and I am more poor than middle class. If they refuse to pay $20 it's only out of the need to take advantage of others and if you do that, don't expect help.

153 posted on 02/16/2006 5:54:20 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: Fruitbat

Rueda said no one told him about the dues policy when he moved in 1 1/2 years ago."

I'm bettin Rueda is a liar.


154 posted on 02/16/2006 5:55:51 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It's not about wanting fire service for free. It's also not like insurance, unless you include "uncle Guido's protection insurance".

If this guy has done anything wrong, its that he's not paid a tax. Clearly he should have done that. But for the fire department to check and see whether he bought tickets to the "firemen's ball" (as they call it 'round these parts) and refuse to fight the fire... is just lame.

Obviously, they're doing it as a "lesson" for everybody else to pay up their protection money.


155 posted on 02/16/2006 6:00:19 PM PST by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1000 knives and counting!)
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To: A CA Guy
Granted, I say if you don't pay your $35 a year then you may get a $4000 bill

If you won't pay your $35 a year, what is supposed to make me think you can afford the $4000?

In other words, I loan you $35 and you won't pay it back then you turn around and expect me to loan you $4000. Doesn't make sense.

And besides, it was $20 that our rural fire department requires us to pay.

156 posted on 02/16/2006 6:00:57 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: CindyDawg
Would it not be better to have a members coverage and a non members fee?.

That's what I suggested in post 146. It would have to be quite high to keep the dues attractive. Again read my post 146. Although I understand this system, I don't like it. It creates situations that are lose/lose. What if a life is lost? Then the guilt of being able to help but not is high. But then that's what the POTUS has to do every day when he wakes up.

157 posted on 02/16/2006 6:01:45 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: LouAvul
That is truly despicable. So if I live in a rural area and suddenly needed an ambulance to get to the hospital, If I had not contributed to the Ambulance Workers Union which I was unaware even existed, the EMTs and supporting personnel are justified in standing about whilst I suffer the heart attack and comment on how much pain I appeared to be suffering as I succumbed?

Outrageous.

158 posted on 02/16/2006 6:03:55 PM PST by Utilizer (What does not kill you... - can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: SampleMan
As I said, I don't like systems like this, because it has bad decisions designed into the structure, but I bet the membership rate goes up.

I love it. I wish more, heck, all, public services were this way.

159 posted on 02/16/2006 6:04:05 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

You said: You know, they could have put the fire out when the guy offered to pay and then billed him for it.
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I wonder if that would work for life insurance, too. As I lay dying, I just take out my 25 million dollar policy then-- at the normal premium price, of course.

Who would pay the fee if they could wait to see if they would ever have a fire? No one, that's who. How much fire equipment would those dues buy???


160 posted on 02/16/2006 6:04:09 PM PST by NCLaw441
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