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Mo. firefighters refuse to help non-member
modbee ^ | 2-16-06

Posted on 02/16/2006 3:52:53 PM PST by LouAvul

Edited on 02/16/2006 6:43:01 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

MONETT, Mo. (AP) - Rural firefighters stood by and watched a fire destroy a garage and a vehicle because the property owner had not paid membership dues.

Bibaldo Rueda - who was injured battling the flames Monday - offered to pay the dues as the fire blazed away, but the Monett Rural Fire Department does not have a policy for on-the-spot billing, Sheriff's Detective Robert Evenson said.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: firefighters; missouri
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To: listenhillary

This guy is a new Hispanic Resident, Now he is a garage and a vehicle out. I dont imagine this makes Chief Myers very popular with Hispanics in the area. If I were the Chief I wouldnt sleep too soundly and make sure my Fire Insurance was paid up, he might also think of having the fire Station Sprinkled and alarmed.


121 posted on 02/16/2006 5:22:51 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: sgtbono2002
This system sucks to begin with. The Community should establish a Fire Tax and everyone be required to pay for it in their taxes.

Exactly, we don't have a "system" that we would have to pay $1000 or better. You either pay your $20 a year or you don't, you takes your chances.

You think we in Missouri must be forced to pay for some idiot who won't pay his $20 a year to protect his house? Sounds like a democrat talking. Hmmm, I can have the government take care of it for $1000 a year or voluntarily pay $20 a year for volunteers and then bitch when my house burns down because I refused to pay the $20.

I'm still glad I live here. Very few here are begging for government involvement and higher taxes.

122 posted on 02/16/2006 5:23:35 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: LouAvul

Sounds almost like extortion.


123 posted on 02/16/2006 5:24:12 PM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy/ "I believe Hillary is the aunti-christ.")
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To: listenhillary

interesting....


124 posted on 02/16/2006 5:25:29 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: LouAvul

Billy Blazers need to be taught the golden rule!


125 posted on 02/16/2006 5:26:08 PM PST by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: SampleMan

I get it. That doesn't make it right.


126 posted on 02/16/2006 5:26:14 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: rwfromkansas
The fire department is SUPPOSED to serve and protect, not say "screw you, you didn't pay us up front."

Would you buy car insurance if you could wait until after you had a wreck to buy it?

Where do you think the money for the fire trucks and hoses comes from?

Do you think that the term "volunteer" means that the volunteer pays for the privilege of putting out other peoples' fires by buying his/her own equipment?

Do you know how much a fire truck costs?

127 posted on 02/16/2006 5:27:34 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: rwfromkansas
They are to SERVE THE PUBLIC.

Only if it's a public agency. In this case, it wasn't.

Some people get stupid when it comes to protecting their property. We have a very small unincorporated town nearby here that ran into financial problems with their donation funded volunteer fire department a few years ago. The fire department was broke and was about to close, but people in the town an surrounding farms wouldn't donate enough to support it and DEMANDED that the county foot the bill. The county refused to pay (they didn't have the money) and put a fire protection district tax on their ballots. If they wanted fire service, the county told them, they needed to pass this district and pay the tax to support it. The people in the town refused to pass it and smugly demanded that the county pay anyway.

Today, the town is served by a neighboring city. I wouldn't recommend having a fire there, because the minimum response time is about 20 minutes. If the trucks in the city are busy, you're SOL. If they DO respond and put out a fire for you, expect a hefty bill in the mail for their services.

If you want a service, you have to pay for it. One way or the other.
128 posted on 02/16/2006 5:27:43 PM PST by Arthalion
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To: Sensei Ern
They learned it from the Mafia!
129 posted on 02/16/2006 5:27:55 PM PST by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

We had a county wide fire tax which went to support all the departments. Revenue and was controlled and distributed by (iirc) the board of fire and rescue comissioners, and distribution was based on call load first, equipment requirements next.
If we wanted it and it wasn't in the budget, we raised the funds through raffles, dinners, and donations (NOT extortion).

I could not imagine standing there and watching someone's house burn.


130 posted on 02/16/2006 5:29:17 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: rwfromkansas
I get it. That doesn't make it right.

Yes, it would be much better if they didn't even have a volunteer fire department that you could purchase protection from if you wished.

But socialists don't understand that concept. They want to have the right to buy auto insurance after they have the wreck.

131 posted on 02/16/2006 5:30:54 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: ozarkgirl

If this is the system you like you are welcome to it, I sure dont want neighbors who would stand around and watch my house burn, you are welcome to them.

By the way if you pay $20 dollars now why do you think you would have to pay $1.000 in taxes, The cost should go down when everyone pays.


132 posted on 02/16/2006 5:33:26 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
You know, they could have put the fire out when the guy offered to pay and then billed him for it. Officious little pricks.

You're on the wrong website, freeloader.

133 posted on 02/16/2006 5:33:30 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: sgtbono2002
When you demand it isnt a donation its extortion.

I'm afraid I don't agree with you. It's a choice: you get the service or you don't.

My insurance company demands that I pay my premiums in order to have insurance coverage. They aren't extorting me--I want coverage, so I choose to pay. It's the same here: if you want fire coverage, you pay. If you don't want it, you don't pay. How is it extortion when a person has a choice?

A tax is MUCH more like extortion--you are forced to pay at the threat of jail; you don't pay, you go to jail. There is no choice, there is no option. I'm afraid I can't agree with you here at all.

134 posted on 02/16/2006 5:35:40 PM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

We just paid $450,000 for our last piece. But if we left it sitting in the road while someones house burned , what good would it be.


135 posted on 02/16/2006 5:35:59 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: doxteve
They believed in proactive payment.

You mean like auto insurance companies?

Only pay your premiums after you have an accident? Yep, that would work.

136 posted on 02/16/2006 5:36:04 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: A CA Guy
My point is you still get the service either way. We maybe have homes closer to each other than by you and we have gas or oil lines we don't want to go boom.

I understand where you come from but you live in the city. Here, you must either be responsible and if you choose to have everyone else pay their $20 a year and you refuse, then fine, no one's going to help you when you're in need. My people are very helpful and responsible, that is why they are willing to work for no pay to help people. When that firebell rings, they leave their jobs, unpaid to help those in need. They each lose more in a few hours than the $20 they ask in a YEAR for the needed supplies to help them.

Again I say, I'd rather pay the $20 for the rural fire department than whatever taxes you are paying. I have to laugh at what you are paying in taxes while complaining about our system. You just keep paying those taxes....

137 posted on 02/16/2006 5:36:36 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: Smokin' Joe
If we wanted it and it wasn't in the budget, we raised the funds through raffles, dinners, and donations (NOT extortion).

Sounds like every VFD I'm familiar with. One of our local VFD's just took a $1.5 million dollar building and equipment loss when the firehouse burned down, insurance is only going to cover half. Fire companies throughout Virginia, the Eastern Shore of Maryland and Delaware have all been ponying up support.........as well as the local community. I can't go into a store around here where there is not a can on the counter for donations.

At the Moose Lodge, renting out our bingo hall is one of our major sources of revenue.......this VFD had a scheduled fundraising event set for April, in order to help them out, the Lodge members voted to waive our normal rental and clean-up fees.

138 posted on 02/16/2006 5:38:41 PM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies: small minds buzzing in you business........SWAT'EM)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
But socialists don't understand that concept. They want to have the right to buy auto insurance after they have the wreck.

Bingo! I'm actually extraordinarily surprised by the reaction of many of the folks on this thread. This is capitalism: you buy the service or you don't. There are no free rides.

139 posted on 02/16/2006 5:38:46 PM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: rwfromkansas
They are to serve ****everyone**** in their area.

You should form your own volunteer fire department. It only costs about $500,000 to set one up.

If you don't have $500,000, maybe you could ask people to donate.

If you can't get $500,000 in donations, you might have to resort to promising people that you will put out their fires if they pay you $100 per year, and that if they don't pay you, you won't put out their fires.

Which do you want? A free, non-existent fire department, or a real fire department that you have to pay for?

Socialists always believe everything should be free.

140 posted on 02/16/2006 5:38:54 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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