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1 posted on 02/14/2006 9:18:42 PM PST by AndrewC
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Despite the number of complaints lodged at peer review, and the lack of research to show that it works, it remains a valued system, says Rennie. Scientists sigh when they're asked to review a paper, but they get upset if they're not asked, he notes. Reviewing articles is a good exercise, Rennie says, and it enables reviewers to stay abreast of what's going on. Peer review "has many imperfections, but I think it's probably the best system we've got," says Bateson.

Experts also acknowledge that peer review is hardly ever to blame when fraud is published, since thoroughly checking data could take as much time as creating it in the first place.

2 posted on 02/14/2006 9:21:18 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC

Many science/medical journals these days prefer to give space to political harangues, rather than research.


3 posted on 02/14/2006 9:22:42 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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Let's get this party started!


4 posted on 02/14/2006 9:23:09 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: AndrewC

I've been rejected by Science. Who do I whine to?


5 posted on 02/14/2006 9:37:51 PM PST by mlo
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If peer review is too highly selective, that isn't a sign of being broken. It's a sign of health.

As for the evidence that peer review works, all you have to do is compare what's in the scientific journals to what's on the internet as a whole.

10 posted on 02/15/2006 4:44:54 AM PST by Physicist
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The disgraced Korean stem-cell "scientist" got his impetus from a "peer-reviewed" series of articles in Science magazine. Thanks to such sterling recommendations from such august editor-"scientists", California earmarked $3Billion (that's a B) dollars for embryonic stem cell grants and research.

Looks like that white coat doesn't come with a halo. Maybe scientists put their pants on one leg at a time, like the rest of us.

11 posted on 02/15/2006 5:21:48 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: AndrewC
Everyone, it seems, has a problem with peer review at top-tier journals.

Peer review is pretty simple these days. If the subject agrees with the politics of the publication, it is blanketly approved. If the subject goes against the politics of the publication, it is blanketly disapproved. The facts are not really scruntinized all that much. It is the sad state of science today.

12 posted on 02/15/2006 5:25:12 AM PST by Always Right
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To anyone familiar with funded research in the physical sciences, this problem was predictable decades ago.

The present day demands on an investigator to "Publish or Perish" are created not only from a desire to obtain job security via tenure, but a need to justify further research funding.

There was a time when patient, scholarly and well thought out experimental design resulted in the publishing of a handful of papers annually. While this body of work seldom involved results of a "breakthrough nature" in science, it was at least rigorously accurate and created a body of knowledge in a field that could be cited with confidence and often used by real geniuses in science to identify and support novel theories.

I contend that modern research in an academic setting no longer permits this patient scholarship and we have lost something as a result.
16 posted on 02/15/2006 7:50:16 AM PST by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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bump


18 posted on 02/15/2006 6:51:47 PM PST by VOA
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Peer review has been broken since, at least, the early 90's.

It isn't about research anymore, or verifiable statistics, or case studies with large control groups.
It's all about the politics, baby.

21 posted on 02/16/2006 10:42:03 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: AndrewC

All we have to reasonably evaluate papers before publication is peer review. The author himself submits to peer review, in many cases, before submitting the paper to the journal by letting colleagues see the paper. Still, it is possible for an error to escape detection, and the error could be anything from a math error that few would be equipped to detect in the first place, to an error in reasoning due to a subtle fallacy that even fewer would be equipped to detect. It's not perfect even with the best of intentions, but what else can be done?


23 posted on 02/16/2006 10:55:59 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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Remember the randomly generated paper that was accepted by the "World Multi-Conference on Systemics, Cybernetics and Informatics 2005"?

The paper was generated ramdomly by three MIT students using SciGen.
24 posted on 02/16/2006 11:49:09 AM PST by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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"It's something that's held "absolutely sacred" in a field where people rarely accept anything with "blind faith," says Richard Smith, former editor of the BMJ and now CEO of UnitedHealth Europe and board member of PLoS. "It's very unscientific, really."

Funny stuff!


26 posted on 02/16/2006 12:57:42 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: AndrewC

Peer review in the humanities was politicized long ago. There are journals I wouldn't send an article to on a bet, because they would reject it without bothering to look at it.

I'm afraid that there has been more and more politicization in the sciences, as well. That has always been the case to some degree, of course. Orthodox scientists with a stake in an accepted theory, for instance, aren't anxious to see it questioned or refuted. But nowadays the politics is much more widespread, because it involves leftist ideology and government grants supervised by ideologues. Foundation grants as well, I'm afraid.


28 posted on 02/16/2006 1:19:59 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: AndrewC

Thank you for the ping.


29 posted on 02/16/2006 2:32:40 PM PST by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: AndrewC

The problem with peer review is the problem with any system. It ultimately is political and is only as ethical as the people heading the heap. It is also subject to ideological motivations. If they don't like you, don't like what you're talking about or disagree on ideological grounds, you won't get reviewed. The article smells of something.. mostly handwringing.


30 posted on 02/16/2006 8:58:16 PM PST by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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[ Is Peer Review Broken? ]

Depends on whos living in the hen house..
The chickens or the weasles.. When the clucking stops..
The guano has hit the fan..

39 posted on 02/18/2006 11:02:08 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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