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ON SHEEP, WOLVES, AND SHEEPDOGS
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Posted on 02/13/2006 10:03:02 AM PST by roaddog727

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To: roaddog727

Here comes the chest beating of the contrarians, hope you don't mind some thoughtless criticism. they'll tell you all kinds of crap about bad allegory and how they don't need no badges etc...


41 posted on 02/13/2006 11:29:12 AM PST by Uriah_lost (http://www.wingercomics.com/d/20051205.html)
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To: Dead Corpse
Who says I stand alone?

I at least implied it, based on my internal reaction to your word "individual" ... it was a conclusion I should not have jumped to ... mea culpa

As for me, I'm not an island, nor do have any desire to be one. I am, by my own choice, knit to the lives of those in the community I referred to in my previous post. They have a 20 year history of consistent (for human beings) trustworthiness in both good times and excruciatingly hard times ... hence my previous reference to a cord of three strands.

42 posted on 02/13/2006 11:43:35 AM PST by tx_eggman (Islamofascism ... bringing you the best of the 7th century for the past 1300 years.)
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To: dropandgimme20
In this analogy, I like to think of myself as the otter.

Not for any particular reason. I just like the thought of being an otter.

LOL... Thanks for a good laugh. :-)

43 posted on 02/13/2006 11:44:26 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: tx_eggman
And for my "jumping" in return, I apologize. Our positions aren't as far apart as our initial knee-jerk reactions led us to believe.

I admit to being a bit of a loner and to not trusting the "community" to have all it's constituents best interests at heart. However, I have picked my friends with care and I would trust every one of them at my back.

44 posted on 02/13/2006 11:50:43 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: jordan8

"If policemen are sheepdogs, who do they work for? Certainly not the sheep."

Correct - they work for the shephard.

"This whole article is infused with the sort of contempt for the public and fascistic militarism that is becoming a disease among law enforcement." Are you calling the member of the armed forces of the unted states facists? If so, you best be treading mighty lightly........


45 posted on 02/13/2006 11:58:20 AM PST by roaddog727 (P=3/8 A. or, P=plenty...............)
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To: roaddog727
"Cowards die many times before their death; the valiant never taste of death but once."
- Shakespeare in The Tragedy of Julius Caesar

Stand Fast!

/jasper

46 posted on 02/13/2006 12:00:21 PM PST by Jasper (Stand Fast, Craigellachie !)
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To: roaddog727

And whom do you see as the shepard?


47 posted on 02/13/2006 12:06:31 PM PST by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: roaddog727

Satan-Claus is out there, and he's just getting stronger.
'The Last Boy Scout'


48 posted on 02/13/2006 12:14:30 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (and miles to go before I sleep.)
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To: Durus

"And whom do you see as the shepard?"

Certainly not me.

Perhaps the POTUS - and no, not a Republican or a Democrat. Just POTUS.


49 posted on 02/13/2006 12:14:55 PM PST by roaddog727 (P=3/8 A. or, P=plenty...............)
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To: roaddog727

The article doesn't address the problem of the sheepdogs that want everyone to remain sheep. I have tactical training, experience and ability that far exceeds the typical COP however there are a number of places it is illegal for me to carry. A large number of police administrators are opposed to citizens being able to defend themselves.


50 posted on 02/13/2006 12:27:46 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: roaddog727

bttt


51 posted on 02/13/2006 12:30:00 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: roaddog727
But what are you if you have no empathy or love for others, and have no capacity for violence?

(Wait for it....)

52 posted on 02/13/2006 12:43:29 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317

Ok...... I'll bite.....


53 posted on 02/13/2006 12:45:57 PM PST by roaddog727 (P=3/8 A. or, P=plenty...............)
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To: Dead Corpse
However, I have picked my friends with care and I would trust every one of them at my back.

Nuff said ..

54 posted on 02/13/2006 12:49:59 PM PST by tx_eggman (Islamofascism ... bringing you the best of the 7th century for the past 1300 years.)
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To: archy

Thanks for that link. Good read!


55 posted on 02/13/2006 12:53:12 PM PST by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunnion.)
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To: Dead Corpse
I am a Man. An individual.

An individual Dead Corpse?

You sort of remind me of the following rule from Murphy's Laws of Combat: Be polite. Be courteous. But have a plan to kill every person you meet. That's not necessarily a bad thing, either!

56 posted on 02/13/2006 1:14:27 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
Dead Corpse. Not Dead Corps. "deceased body" by the definition. Corpus being the original Latin that did not necessarily pertain to said "body" being deceased or even a human body.

Now that the grammatical lesson is over...

I would agree that said quoted Rule is not a bad thing. As an operating principle, it can come in very handy to keep in mind. Situational awareness is not only key in responding to a bad situation, but in avoiding them as well.

Now why people like me should remind of that is somewhat of a mystery. Being an Objectivist, the non-iniation of force/fraud/theft doctrine pretty much defines my general philosophy of human interaction. Play nice, and you have absolutely nothing to worry about from me. And no, I don't expect you to have to take my word for it. ;-)

57 posted on 02/13/2006 1:22:38 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: archy
Columbine was one of the worst performances by the police I have ever heard of.

I kept thinking at the time, whey weren't they going inside to free those kids? I still don't know.

58 posted on 02/13/2006 2:03:28 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Dead Corpse
Now that the grammatical lesson is over...

Better read what I wrote again...I spelled it correctly.

My working doctrine remains to this effect: Folks can be sweet and nice around me or they'll get JUNGLE...all the way. My feeling is that if somebody else opens the door to violence, well then, they have no legitimate beef if they get more violence than they bargained for. Sound right?

59 posted on 02/13/2006 2:23:04 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
Sound right?

Spot on. Without someone initiating first, it's all puppy-dogs and butterflies. While some caution a measured response to aggression, I'm for out right annihilation. After all, if you are willing to initiate force against someone once, chances are you'll do it again. Consider it chlorine for the gene pool.

60 posted on 02/13/2006 2:31:52 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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