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Carter Allowed Surveillance in 1977
The Washington Times ^ | 11 Feb 2006 | Charles Hurt

Posted on 02/13/2006 4:55:15 AM PST by seanmerc

Former President Jimmy Carter, who publicly rebuked President Bush's warrantless eavesdropping program this week during the funeral of Coretta Scott King and at a campaign event, used similar surveillance against suspected spies. "Under the Bush administration, there's been a disgraceful and illegal decision -- we're not going to the let the judges or the Congress or anyone else know that we're spying on the American people," Mr. Carter said Monday in Nevada when his son Jack announced his Senate campaign. "And no one knows how many innocent Americans have had their privacy violated under this secret act," he said. The next day at Mrs. King's high-profile funeral, Mr. Carter evoked a comparison to the Bush policy when referring to the "secret government wiretapping" of civil rights leader Martin Luther King. But in 1977, Mr. Carter and his attorney general, Griffin B. Bell, authorized warrantless electronic surveillance used in the conviction of two men for spying on behalf of Vietnam. The men, Truong Dinh Hung and Ronald Louis Humphrey, challenged their espionage convictions to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, which unanimously ruled that the warrantless searches did not violate the men's rights. In its opinion, the court said the executive branch has the "inherent authority" to wiretap enemies such as terror plotters and is excused from obtaining warrants when surveillance is "conducted 'primarily' for foreign intelligence reasons." That description, some Republicans say, perfectly fits the Bush administration's program to monitor calls from terror-linked people to the U.S. The Truong case, however, involved surveillance that began in 1977, before the enactment of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which established a secret court for granting foreign intelligence warrants.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 1977; alqaeda; bush; jimmycarter; nsa; president; spying; surveillance; terrorist
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Imagine my surprise!

Would this fall into the "pot calling the kettle black" category?

1 posted on 02/13/2006 4:55:16 AM PST by seanmerc
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To: seanmerc

Carter's idiocy knows no bounds.

The man is a disgrace...and never should've come close to the presidency.


2 posted on 02/13/2006 4:56:33 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

carter should be spelled P.O.S.


3 posted on 02/13/2006 4:57:55 AM PST by SoothSayerONETIME
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But Carter loves communist dictatorship. Why would he authorize warrantless wiretaps unless VN had a beef with Cuba?


4 posted on 02/13/2006 4:58:15 AM PST by saveliberty ( :-) I am a Snowflake and Bushbot.)
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To: seanmerc
. In its opinion, the court said the executive branch has the "inherent authority" to wiretap enemies such as terror plotters and is excused from obtaining warrants when surveillance is "conducted 'primarily' for foreign intelligence reasons." That description, some Republicans say, perfectly fits the Bush administration's program to monitor calls from terror-linked people to the U.S. The Truong case, however, involved surveillance that began in 1977, before the enactment of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which established a secret court for granting foreign intelligence warrants.

Carter signed FISA - however, the "inherent authority" was not his to give away, since it is a constitutional power of the executive - just as SCOTUS did not allow Congress to give the President a line-item veto without amending the Constitution.

In a way, this is a good debate - it is educating people about the nature of the relationship of powers between the various branches of government. And it is showing how the Dems politicize everything.

HOWEVER, the middle of wartime is NOT the time to be having such a debate!!!!

5 posted on 02/13/2006 4:58:16 AM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Jimmy Carter talking about what the president should be doing is like Teddy Fatboy giving driving lessons.


6 posted on 02/13/2006 5:00:47 AM PST by newnhdad (All your government branches are belong to us!!)
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"If al Qaeda is calling you ... we'd like to know why."

'Nuff said.

7 posted on 02/13/2006 5:06:43 AM PST by The G Man (The Red States ... the world's only hope for survival.)
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To: seanmerc
Even the ugly peanut man can get little girls to sit in his lap..
8 posted on 02/13/2006 5:08:35 AM PST by Beth528
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Does Jimmy even know what the USS Jimmy Carter can do ?

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-529826.html

Some outside analysts and U.S. intelligence officials think the NSA should abandon such efforts in favor of more narrowly targeted intelligence-gathering efforts. One intelligence official estimates that tapping all the world's undersea cables, assuming it could be done, would cost more than $2 billion a year. And no one knows whether the NSA will ever have enough computing power to analyze the resulting gusher of digital data.

Even so, the agency has been pushing ahead. At General Dynamics' Electric Boat shipyard in Groton, Conn., the Navy is deep into a five-year, $1 billion retrofit of the USS Jimmy Carter, a nuclear-powered vessel that intelligence experts say will be the premier U.S. spy sub when it hits the seas in 2004. Among its many planned features, says one former official familiar with the project: state-of-the-art technology for undersea fiber-optic taps.

The NSA's Lt. Gen. Hayden and Navy officials decline to comment on the USS Jimmy Carter's mission.

9 posted on 02/13/2006 5:10:12 AM PST by COUNTrecount
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No... more like the cashew calling the macadamia... NUTS.
10 posted on 02/13/2006 5:15:41 AM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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So I wonder why Jimmy did not get a warrant? It's inexplicable.

Is it too late to impeach him?


11 posted on 02/13/2006 5:20:21 AM PST by Brilliant
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Jimmy Carter: the least qualified and most unsuccessful American President in modern times...and undeniably the worst past-President of all times.

A true embarrassment to the Democratic party if not all Americans.


12 posted on 02/13/2006 5:20:26 AM PST by O6ret
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BUMP


13 posted on 02/13/2006 5:21:23 AM PST by kitkat
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Multiple repeat of various articles.


14 posted on 02/13/2006 5:30:36 AM PST by em2vn
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A true embarrassment to the Democratic party if not all Americans.

No, that's the trouble. He's not an embarrassment to democrats - he's just an embarrassment to Americans.

15 posted on 02/13/2006 5:40:56 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: em2vn

I did a search for the article's title before I posted it and nothing came up. Sorry for any duplication, but I did try to make sure that nobody else had posted the article.


16 posted on 02/13/2006 6:45:56 AM PST by seanmerc
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Administration officials say the president has constitutional authority to conduct surveillance without warrants in the name of national security. The only way Congress could legitimately curtail that authority, they argue, is through an amendment to the Constitution. The administration's view has been shared by previous Democrat administrations, including Mr. Carter's.

The article never backs up the claim that Carter ever agreed that Congress doesn't have poewr to regulate the President's authority.

17 posted on 02/13/2006 2:46:05 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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Carter signed FISA - however, the "inherent authority" was not his to give away, since it is a constitutional power of the executive

And he didn't give it away. He just submitted to congressional regulation. That's not the same thing at all.

18 posted on 02/13/2006 2:47:29 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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And he didn't give it away. He just submitted to congressional regulation. That's not the same thing at all.

It's not Congress's power to regulate.

19 posted on 02/13/2006 2:51:43 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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So does that mean the Posse Comitatus Act is also unconstitutional? That regulates the power of the executive.
20 posted on 02/13/2006 3:01:34 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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