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NSA Spying Program Debated by Conservatives
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| February 10, 2006
| Monisha Bansal (CNS News)
Posted on 02/11/2006 2:38:12 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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posted on
02/11/2006 2:40:13 PM PST
by
Tolerance Sucks Rocks
(Now is the time for all good customes agents in Tiajunna to come to the aid of their stuned beebers!)
To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Iran and the USA are both on suicide missions.....
but for different reasons.
You can't kill the terrorists if you don't know where they are.
The terrorists are painting bullseyes on themselves.
Why are certain Americans so stupid?
I know why the terrorists are so stupid!
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posted on
02/11/2006 2:41:22 PM PST
by
CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
(expell the fat arrogant carcasses of Congress)
To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Nothing wrong with debate. Let the left make their case for not spying on the bad guys.
Regarding warrant-less searches of American citizens, and without probable cause, it happens all the time. Just go through security at any airport or federal building.
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posted on
02/11/2006 2:43:28 PM PST
by
joonbug
To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
What's wrong with getting a warrant?
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posted on
02/11/2006 2:47:23 PM PST
by
Doe Eyes
To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Bob Barr lost his conservative creds when he became a wh#re for the ACLU.
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posted on
02/11/2006 2:49:33 PM PST
by
peyton randolph
(As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
To: Doe Eyes
Ain't no time when you are after a terrorist and there is NO NEED for a warrant if one is doing intelligence on foreign enemies. But then I guess we could have gotten a warrant to survey the Nazi and the Japanese. If Al Qaeda is calling someone in the US I would suspect that they are with the organization and need to be monitored. But then if they are not and set off a nuke then the people would want to know why we did not monitor.
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posted on
02/11/2006 2:52:30 PM PST
by
YOUGOTIT
To: Doe Eyes
whether President Bush had complied with the 1978 Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), requiring him to first receive a court order before ordering the spying. As repeatedly asserted by all Presidents from Carter to the present, and per judicial precedent on the issue, to the extent that FISA limits the President's constitutional powers as C-in-C, FISA is unconstitutional.
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posted on
02/11/2006 2:52:57 PM PST
by
peyton randolph
(As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
To: Doe Eyes
What's wrong with getting a warrant?
A lot of the terrorists are using disposable cell phones. Make 5 phone calls and throw it away. The courts cannot keep up with such authorizations. They cannot move quick enough. Anyhow the President can authorize such phone surveillance completely apart from the FISA court process. Clinton and others did it
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posted on
02/11/2006 2:53:38 PM PST
by
dennisw
("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
To: YOUGOTIT
Ain't no time when you are after a terrorist Who says? I haven't seen this case made.
there is NO NEED for a warrant if one is doing intelligence on foreign enemies.
I think we are talking about tapping phones in America. We have a Constitution, and our Government is bound by it.
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posted on
02/11/2006 2:56:05 PM PST
by
Doe Eyes
To: Doe Eyes
What's wrong with getting a warrant? It's too slow.
It's too hard.
It requires someone who can write.
It's not easy to use against a political enemy.
It's not easy to use as a pick-up line.
It's no fun.
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posted on
02/11/2006 2:57:33 PM PST
by
Doctor Stochastic
(Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
To: Doe Eyes
We have a Constitution, and our Government is bound by it.Many consider the Constitution to be a Living Document and subject to the whim of The Government.
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posted on
02/11/2006 2:59:09 PM PST
by
Doctor Stochastic
(Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
To: Doe Eyes
I think we are talking about tapping phones in America. We have a Constitution, and our Government is bound by it. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. We're talking intercepting international phone calls...not tapping phones of U.S. citizens. Constitution has never been held to prohibit interception of international communications. Been done (letters, telegraphs, etc.) since the days of President Washington.
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posted on
02/11/2006 3:01:01 PM PST
by
peyton randolph
(As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
To: Doe Eyes
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posted on
02/11/2006 3:01:42 PM PST
by
sono
(Ted Kennedy's naming his dog Splash is like Jack Abramoff naming his dog Bribe.)
To: Doe Eyes
The president has inherent powers to defend this nation from enemy threat that have already been tested in the federal courts. His powers are constitutional and well grounded therein. It is FISA that is unconstitutional, not NSA actions.
There is nothing wrong with getting a warrant, in the right context. But when you are fighting a war, the need for quick action is essential and that is why this power is vested in the executive branch, the president.
There are some conservatives so called that have such distrust of the government they will turn the constitution into a suicide pact. Barr, in my opinion, has lost his bearings, and is not even thinking rationally.
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posted on
02/11/2006 3:01:43 PM PST
by
el_texicano
(Liberals, Socialist, DemocRATS, all touchy, feely, mind numbed robots, useless idiots all)
To: Doe Eyes
"I think we are talking about tapping phones in America. We have a Constitution, and our Government is bound by it."
We have tapped NO phones in the US unless the call came from outside the country. And the Constitution gives the power to the President to do this in time of war. Of course if you want the terrorist to win then you are supported by a bunch of anti-American left-wing fascist democrats senators.
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posted on
02/11/2006 3:02:54 PM PST
by
YOUGOTIT
To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
To: YOUGOTIT
We have tapped NO phones in the US unless the call came from outside the country. Government is not tapping phones in the U.S. It is intercepting international communications using satellites and other neat gadgets. No one is showing up on the doorstep of a U.S. citizen's home and tapping his phone...or even tapping the line at the phone co. either. No need to.
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posted on
02/11/2006 3:06:15 PM PST
by
peyton randolph
(As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
To: Right_Handed_Writer
Has the Executive Branch complied with this?
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posted on
02/11/2006 3:08:11 PM PST
by
Doe Eyes
To: Doe Eyes
What's wrong with getting a warrant? First off we are at war - You don't go around getting warrant's in war! (though plenty of JAGs are asking for just this in both Iraq and Stan to a large degree!..God help us).
Additionally....our CIC does not need to get a warrant with regard to gathering Intel on foreign enemies.
The reality is the FISA court itself is likely unconstitutional....in that it gave too much power to the Congress (of which of course the Congress does not want to give back....Those 435 members are all power hog putzes).
Furthermore you can't get a warrant for an event that hasn't taken place....nor do you know "to where" it will take place until after the fact. Nor once it does take place can we afford to make such information public with regard to "leaks" that will certainly come from such "after the fact FISA type warrants".
The proof of such leaks being that this NSA operation itself was leaked!
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