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ACLU takes on Boy Scouts in 9th Circuit
Worldnet Daily ^ | February 11, 2006 | Unknown

Posted on 02/11/2006 9:58:48 AM PST by Jay777

An ACLU lawsuit on behalf of an agnostic, lesbian couple seeking to nullify the Boy Scouts’ long-standing lease with a San Diego park will be heard in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, widely regarded as the nation’s most liberal.

The city of San Diego is appealing a U.S. District Court judge’s ruling in 2003, which determined the agreement violates the First Amendment’s ban on state-sponsored religion.

Oral arguments will begin Tuesday morning in Pasadena, Calif. A decision is expected later this year.

Judge Napoleon Jones said in his 2003 ruling the Boy Scouts are a religious organization with a “religious purpose” because adult leaders and youth members are required to believe in a “formal deity” and to swear duty to God.

Backers of the Boy Scouts argue that while the group promotes belief in God, it represents no particular denomination or religion. Individual troops can be sponsored by a church, synagogue, mosque or secular organization.

The local Desert Pacific Council of the Boy Scouts has used the northwest corner of Balboa Park, near the San Diego Zoo, since 1940. It has leased the land for $1 a year since 1957, and the city council approved a 25-year lease agreement at the end of 2001.

The Boy Scouts argue Camp Balboa and a nearby city facility maintained at their expense, the Youth Aquatic Center, are used extensively on a first-come, first-served basis by the public as well as by Scouts. The plaintiffs have never even tried to use the facilities, they maintain.

The ACLU represents Lori and Lynn Barnes-Wallace and their “Boy Scout-aged sons.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 9thcircuit; aclu; aclulist; balboapark; boyscouts; bsa; culturewars; hellbound; homosexualagenda; lawsuit; sandiego; stoptheaclu
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To: muawiyah
If the "Muzzies" take over, the ACLU-types will be the first to lose their heads.

Just like Osama, I think there's a special place in Hell for ACLU members.
21 posted on 02/11/2006 10:39:06 AM PST by BW2221
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To: Jay777

"Go ahead, ACLU, make my day." - Chief Justice John Roberts

(This Supreme Court justice has been impersonated for the purpose of ticking off any DUmmies who might be having someone else read this to them.)


22 posted on 02/11/2006 10:43:54 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Calusa

I was thinking the same thing, actually.


23 posted on 02/11/2006 10:44:56 AM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Jay777

Judge Napoleon Jones. Dickens would have enjoyed that.


24 posted on 02/11/2006 10:45:52 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: FormerLib

The good news is that if the Boy Scouts lose, the SC will probably take a look at it...(though that may not help). Personally, I thought that the government can't discriminate against religious organizations? You know that whole 1st Amendment thing...


25 posted on 02/11/2006 10:46:27 AM PST by gman992
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To: BW2221

That's why I added the keyword "hellbound."


26 posted on 02/11/2006 10:48:48 AM PST by darkangel82
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To: SandRat
ACLU has is in a frenzy of activity against anything that promotes religion and/or good character. They have come out in favor of pedophiles and they have attacked the National Honor Society for having "good character" for one of its requirements for membership.
27 posted on 02/11/2006 10:51:43 AM PST by Dante3
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28 posted on 02/11/2006 10:56:46 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K ("Ye shall know them by their fruits" ;-))
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To: IronJack

IIRC, even thought the lease is $1.00 per year, the local Scouting council has invested millions into upgrades of the property even though anyone is able to use it.


29 posted on 02/11/2006 11:00:39 AM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: FOG724

Why can't people just leave the Boy Scouts alone?

Exactly my notion. The Boy Scouts is one of the solutions to many of the country's problems. Can't people realize that????


30 posted on 02/11/2006 11:16:15 AM PST by moog
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To: MNJohnnie

These people are despicable wastes of skin

HUH????? They have SKIN??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


31 posted on 02/11/2006 11:17:28 AM PST by moog
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To: BW2221
Just like Osama, I think there's a special place in Hell for ACLU members.

"The ACLU is the spawn of Satan."

32 posted on 02/11/2006 11:20:45 AM PST by talleyman (Kerry & the Surrender-Donkey Treasoncrats - trashing the troops for 40 years.)
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To: Mighty Eighth

This is why the ACLU must be declared a subversive terrorist organization and the entire leadership deported to Git'mo with the rest of the traitors.

"This is ALSO why the entire Ninth Circus Court of Schlemiels needs to be IMPEACHED for misfeasance, malfeasance, and nonfeasance of its sworn duty.
And while we're at it, impeach that old bag Ruth Bader Ginsburg off the SCOTUS, too."

Well said...



33 posted on 02/11/2006 11:21:10 AM PST by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: szweig
The homosexual parents are wrong, as is the trial judge--abusively so.

First, the 1st Amendment in no imposes a "ban on state-sponsored religion." It bans Congress from imposing a nationally-sponsored religion. Just incidentally, it also prohibits interference with the free exercise of religion. When the Constitution was adopted, several states had laws sponsoring a particular religion, usually through the collection of funds via taxation. These laws were dropped, not because they were unconstitutional, but because the religions had no desire to invite the potential for interference of any kind from the state. Thus, the Constitution does not ban state-sponsored religion, tyrannical oligarchs have and continue to impose such a ban with the intent to disrupt any free but public exercise of religion.

Furthermore, BSA is not a religious organization. The BSA does not provide religious training to anyone. Nor are leaders and youths required to believe in a "formal deity." One must believe in a higher power, but exactly what you believe in is highly personal and can be as informal as one wishes. In fact, with regard to belief system, BSA will accept anyone but an avowed atheist--even avowed agnostics are welcome.

Given that this case is so far out of sync with reality and logic, I can only assume that this is a treasonous attempt to prohibit a certain free exercise of association.

34 posted on 02/11/2006 11:22:48 AM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (How long do we have to pretend that Democrats are patriots?)
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To: FOG724
"Why can't people just leave the Boy Scouts alone?"

Exactly.

35 posted on 02/11/2006 11:23:38 AM PST by TAdams8591
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To: moog
Snakes have skin right? Isn't the stuff that forms on the surface of slime called a skin? You maybe right. I wish some scientific type would take up the case. We maybe wrong in assuming the ACLU type actually qualify as a life form. They display all the caractersitics of a virus, maybe they are actually a disease?
36 posted on 02/11/2006 11:29:32 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Conservatives...lack sufficient cynicism to properly assess the nature of their liberal opponents)
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To: Jay777
Shakes fist at ACLU in best Jackie Gleason impersonation.

One of these days, your gonna push too far, then power right in yer blowhole.
37 posted on 02/11/2006 11:34:27 AM PST by Hawk1976 (Ideas got Republicans into office, new ideas will help keep them there.)
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To: Jay777

This one must really p*** off the ACLU.

38 posted on 02/11/2006 11:36:37 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Snakes have skin right? Isn't the stuff that forms on the surface of slime called a skin?

At least snakes shed their skin. :)


39 posted on 02/11/2006 11:41:05 AM PST by moog
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To: Jay777; All
Donate to the Scouts!
40 posted on 02/11/2006 11:41:10 AM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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