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For Mohammad, Heaven A Lonely Place
Point Five ^ | 2/9/06

Posted on 02/10/2006 6:01:01 PM PST by StoneGiant

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To: StoneGiant
Salvation in Islam

21 posted on 02/10/2006 6:37:33 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in YHvH forever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: StoneGiant

Yet, maybe they'll have more visions of Mohammed like everybody else is experiencing?
http://kokonutpundits.blogspot.com/2006/02/visions-of-mohammed-in-3d.html


22 posted on 02/10/2006 6:38:41 PM PST by kokonut
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To: MillerCreek
Well, Buddha doesn't believe in God and Heaven is not a destination he was familiar with, either

I dunno about that...

Nirvana soumds alot like heaven to me.

23 posted on 02/10/2006 6:43:34 PM PST by bikepacker67 (Islam was born of Hagar the whore.)
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To: calex59
Because He is Holy, the God of the universe that He created would no more let a liar in his presence than a murderer. He can not have sin in his presence. But the god that you have carved lacks the qualities of grace and forgiveness that the Holy God possesses.

Thank God that he has forgiven my sin through the completed work of Jesus Christ and that I am secure - knowing that my name is written in the book of life.

If you would like more information, feel free to post mail.

24 posted on 02/10/2006 6:48:10 PM PST by kinsman redeemer (the real enemy seeks to devour what is good)
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To: bikepacker67

Nirvana is not Heaven. Thus, I repeat, Buddha did not believe in Heaven. He also did not believe in God.

One true God, one Heaven. No admittance for those who do not believe, and that's what God has to say about Himself and His home.

Buddha advanced the concept of some perfect human, as in an elaborate form of humanism. Become ever so perfect as "being" (a human) and become Buddha, find oneself by losing oneself in Nirvana, a state of humanism.

There is no room here for "moral equivalency." Nirvana is not a moral nor theological, nor faith principle equivalent of Heaven.


25 posted on 02/10/2006 6:48:12 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: MillerCreek

Oh, lighten up. It's a gag for all the syncretists who think 'all religions are true' (and moderately amusing even for those of us who know Christ is the Way, who said 'no one comes to the Father except through Me'.)


26 posted on 02/10/2006 6:48:38 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: XeniaSt

"Salvation in Islam" means a one way trip to Hell.


27 posted on 02/10/2006 6:49:29 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: StoneGiant
Nice little fairy tale, but I suspect heaven is not as PC as you would suggest.

Why would the people who worship the devil, such as the Muslims, get anywhere near Heaven?

When Jesus promised eternal life to those who repented and followed him, was that optional? Are you suggesting that you could hate others, blow up women and babies, rape and destroy and STILL get eternal life? That's absurd...

Mohamed was the exact opposite of Jesus. Every thing he taught. If Jesus represents God, then the "heaven" for the Muslims would probably be what we refer to as Hell.
28 posted on 02/10/2006 6:52:06 PM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: The_Reader_David

Oh, I'm light enough already. Have a nice day.


29 posted on 02/10/2006 6:53:11 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: MillerCreek
Buddha advanced the concept of some perfect human

No he didn't.

He advanced the concept of the perfect soul that wouldn't have to be imprisoned by the corporal.

In other words, an angel.

30 posted on 02/10/2006 6:55:40 PM PST by bikepacker67 (Islam was born of Hagar the whore.)
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To: The_Reader_David

The issues are profound. Even written "lightly," they are what they are. I suppose someone could attach a Schwarzenegger sound file saying, 'I'll be back' to the comments, but, well...I don't think it'd improve the truths involved.


31 posted on 02/10/2006 6:55:59 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: bikepacker67

Fine, believe what you will. If you ever want to save your soul, please seek Christ.

You just exhausted your own connundrum, however, given that you're writing "in other words, an angel."

Because that reveals a number of profound issues: there's no concept of Heaven to Buddha, you require "in other words" and a Judeo-Christian concept to elaborate as to what Buddha opined, and, an "angel" even in Judeo-Christian theology is not Heaven, nor is God.

Please read these words carefully and slowly: to Buddha, there was no Heaven, there was no God. His concepts are entirely humanistic. And they do not conclude in either God, nor Heaven, two concepts refuted by Buddha.


32 posted on 02/10/2006 6:59:16 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: calex59
"G-D will not recognize people that kill other people, no matter the reason, into heaven, period"

I am not deliberately misreading your post."no matter the reason" precludes even self-defense.If you mean murder,say murder.Words have meanings. Unless you are the Mad Hatter you should use the correct word. One cannot order a burger and then become angry when it is not the fish sandwich one desires.Nor anywhere have I condoned anyone killing the innocent.

33 posted on 02/10/2006 7:00:12 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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I did say murder. Whose post are you reading? I think you are trying to justify killing in the name of MO. Islam is a murderous cult, one that MURDERS innocent people every day. If you don't like that, tough sh**.


34 posted on 02/10/2006 7:11:27 PM PST by calex59 (seeing the light shouldn't make you go blind)
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To: babygene
Nice little fairy tale, but I suspect heaven is not as PC as you would suggest. Why would the people who worship the devil, such as the Muslims, get anywhere near Heaven? When Jesus promised eternal life to those who repented and followed him, was that optional? Are you suggesting that you could hate others, blow up women and babies, rape and destroy and STILL get eternal life? That's absurd... Mohamed was the exact opposite of Jesus. Every thing he taught. If Jesus represents God, then the "heaven" for the Muslims would probably be what we refer to as Hell.

Good one babygene! Remember that Christ also said..."I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6. I don't see mohammad mentioned as an alternate route.

35 posted on 02/10/2006 7:12:39 PM PST by yama85
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To: hoosierham

Bingo on that stuff. Translators have added and subtracted from the Bible with liberty over the years.

The biggest inconsistency is where Jesus talks about rendering unto Caesar what is his. Paul has a big thing about "gummints" being ordained of God. HORSE MANURE! That stuff was added later by kings and churchmen who wanted to keep the masses subdued, and neither quite jive, to put it mildly, with Jesus beating the moneychangers' backsides out of the Temple.


36 posted on 02/10/2006 7:14:01 PM PST by 308MBR (If fools were objective in their viewpoints, they wouldn't be fools.)
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To: StoneGiant
"Heaven? Whatever gave you the idea you were in heaven, Mr. Mohammad? This is the other place! Hahahahahahaha..."
37 posted on 02/10/2006 7:35:59 PM PST by RichInOC (...Sebastian Cabot, R.I.P.)
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To: 308MBR

Which parts of Rom 13 were added? Evidence?


38 posted on 02/10/2006 7:40:25 PM PST by kinsman redeemer (the real enemy seeks to devour what is good)
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To: calex59
I quoted YOUR post #2 ;you are the one with a problem comprehending the language.

I've shown your misuse of words,now you show me any post where I condone Muslims murdering anyone.

I will let them worship a dead rock as long as they don't force anyone else to. God allows us freewill to reject Him.

39 posted on 02/10/2006 7:43:47 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: kinsman redeemer

The evidence is the inconsistency with Jesus' life. He rebelled against Jewish law. He physically assaulted people who were sinning in the temple. Furthermore, if Paul was such a law and order person, why was he constantly in the jailhouse? Jesus, the disciples and the apostles were ALL law breakers. That's why not many died of old age.

In an answer to your question, I would say Paul's beginning of the chapter starts at verse eight. The style of writing seems to change as well.


40 posted on 02/10/2006 7:48:54 PM PST by 308MBR (If fools were objective in their viewpoints, they wouldn't be fools.)
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