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Posted on 02/10/2006 2:13:04 PM PST by truth49
R-12-18 A Resolution to Calling for a Tribute for Col. Gregory “Pappy” Boyington, USMC
Andrew Everett, sponsor of the legislation, summarized the resolution.
He said he wasn’t interested in a large statue, but rather something on a
small scale.
Jill Edwards moved to table the resolution until next meeting. Seconded.
Objection.
Jill Edwards said other legislation needed to be considered as other
resolutions have been on the docket longer.
Mikhail Smirnoff said he didn’t see the issue as controversial and that
because Senate had voted it to the top of the agenda it should be
considered immediately.
The motion failed.
Travis McCoy asked how the construction of the memorial would be
funded.
Andrew Everett said he had drawn up funding proposals for the UWAA,
several UW departments, and other private sources of funding.
A senator asked why Andrew Everett was interested in honoring this
particular alumnus.
Andrew Everett said he had read about Colonel Boyington and thought
his achievements warranted recognition.
Tyler Dockins asked why the monument shouldn’t commemorate all the
alumni who fought in the war.
Andrew Everett noted that several statues around campus already serve
such a purpose and that Colonel Boyington had many of the qualities the
University of Washington hoped to produce in its students.
Jill Edwards said she didn’t’ believe a member of the Marine Corps was
an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce.
Ashley Miller commented that many monuments at UW already
commemorate rich white men.
Karl Smith amended the first ‘whereas’ clause to strike the section “he
was credited with destroying 26 enemy aircraft, tying the record for most
aircraft destroyed by a pilot in American Uniform for which he was” and
leaving the reference to the Navy Cross. Seconded. Objection.
He said the resolution should commend Colonel Boyington’s service, not
his killing of others.
Andrew Everett said a destroyed aircraft was not necessarily indicative
that a pilot had died. He said the statistic on aircraft downed explained
Colonel Boyington’s achievements and why his performance was
noteworthy.
Deidre Lockman said she was in favor of the resolution and approved of
Karl Smith’s amendment.
Sam Al-Khoury moved to close debate on the amendment. Seconded.
Passed without objection.
The amendment passed.
Erin Shields asked what the process is for erecting a memorial on
campus.
Andrew Everett said it was a process he would push through personally.
He said it would go to the university administration, then to the Capital
Projects Committee for placement consideration, and back to the
administration for a final discussion on the monument.
Niki Iglesias moved to close debate. Seconded. Objection.
The motion failed.
Shawn Fisher moved to amend the second ‘that’ clause and strike the
deadline of 11 January 2008.
He said he was against the resolution, but that if it did pass, he wanted the
statue to be of a high quality and said the project shouldn’t be rushed.
Mikhail Smirnoff noted the resolution didn’t require the statue to be
finished, but merely have the process started by that time.
Melissa Aar said she was against the amendment because of the
significance of the date.
Shawn Fisher moved to close debate. Seconded. Passed without
objection.
Debate was closed. The amendment failed.
A Senator said he feared Senate was rubber stamping a project that it
didn’t know enough about. He noted that Senate didn’t have any
specification for the statue’s appearance or details on its placement.
Jon Lee said he didn’t want to see a campus inundated with memorials.
He said he feared this would open the invitation to multiple other
memorials.
Andrew Everett said he envisioned a monument similar to the Lincoln
Brigade outside of the HUB. He said he respected the history of the UW
institution and the people it has produced and that the UW owes it to
students to honors those from the past.
Deidre Lockman moved to strike the quote from President Roosevelt.
Seconded. Objection.
She said the resolution focused more heavily on the negative aspects of
war and should instead focus on more positive aspects such as the
awarding of the Medal of Honor.
Travis Grandy moved to amend the amendment to restore “whose
citation was signed by pres. Franklin D Roosevelt in March 1944”.
Seconded. Passed without objection.
Shawn Fisher said he thought the quote was unnecessary and reflected
badly on the resolution.
Alex Kerchner said the issue was clear cut and that it didn’t make any
sense to commend Colonel Boyington for his Medal of Honor, and yet
remove the reason it was awarded.
Mikhail Smirnoff said it was important to note what the Colonel actually
achieved. He said it didn’t make sense to not acknowledge why he was
awarded the Medal of Honor.
Jon Evans moved to close debate on the amendment. Seconded.
Objection.
The motion passed. Debate was closed on the amendment.
The amendment failed.
Mikhail Smirnoff said he supported the resolution. He said the resolution
does not support a final product, but that it only supports the concept of
the monument. He said he understood the sentiment of not wanting to
reward those who fought in the war, but that he thought those who fought
in WWII were heros and that it was a much different war than the
controversial war in Iraq.
Evan Roberts moved to close debate. Seconded. Objection.
The motion failed.
Division was called. The motion passed.
Debate was closed on the resolution.
Division was called on the resolution. The vote was tied.
Alex Kim noted that in the case of a tie, the Senate Chair cast the tiebreaking
vote.
Alex Kim voted nay. The resolution failed.
Zachary Tobin called for a roll call vote.
Alex Kim called the motion out of order as the results of the vote had
already been announced.
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Nothing wrong with UW that a couple of bombing runs wouldn't take care of.
If any of these dissenters were children or grandchildren of mine I would make sure that they did not profit from my death!
Why aren't they studying and working hard so they be something other than coffee-jerks at Starbucks? This is a complete waste of time, unless they're training to be dem senators. BWAHAHAHA!! Maybe they are!
"The day of his 28th kill was also the day he was shot down by a Japanese Zero fighter. Fished out of the water by an enemy sub, Boyington spent the next 20 months in prisoner of war camps, where he often suffered beatings and near starvation, The Japanese did not want Boyington's whereabouts known to the Allies, so they never reported his capture. The Marines listed him as missing in action, but many thought he died in the crash. Through a fellow POW, he was able to send a code word to his mother that he was still alive. For the rest of America, when his camp was liberated on August 28, 1945, the Medal of Honor winner seemed to come back from the dead."
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Jill Edwards said she didn’t’ believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce.
Ashley Miller commented that many monuments at UW already commemorate rich white men.
Hope their friends and family have a fondness for vanity searches. But then, who knows? Maybe the parents and grandparents are proud of the values they passed along to the kids.
This comment from the minutes kills me.
"Ashley Miller commented that many monuments at UW already
commemorate rich white men."
Pappy Boyington came from a working class family. He made his fortune because of his achievements. Little Ashley Miller owes her freedom to spout ignorance to men like Boyington!!
Future Democrats of America. Dumber than a box of rocks, both of them.
This is so offensive on so many levels. That these punks who are attending a tax payer funded University have the nerve to thumb their noses at a genuine war hero shows a lack of class, a lack of gratitude and a profound ignorance of history.
No wonder they have "Red Square".
These students a liberal nitwits, brain washed victims of leftist profs and RAT propaganda. How sad that they can't get past VN and now Iraq and honor those that made freedom secure in the nation. The Boomer generation Marxists have captured the universities and high schools and I fear for the nation's future.
Contact Vice-President Ashley Miller at asuwvp@u.washington.edu
Gee, how did the UW campus get built? Partially paid for by the government through their "power" to tax ALL folks (no matter their ethnic background) that work and produce.
So to you Ashley... stfu, go to class, get an edu-ma-cation, then try to become a productive wage earner (thereby contributing to my future social security bennies).
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