Posted on 02/10/2006 10:18:17 AM PST by SirLinksalot
Where is the sun?
It's wained so long I look wan.
That's precisely what I did. Try reading my reply more slowly. Better still, read on, Pup.
For instance, speaking exoskeletally as point "A":
Did an eyestalk evolve first and then wait aound for the organism in question to develop the eye to fill it? And if so, where did the chitenous protein arrive from to form the eyestalk? How was the new brainstem made aware that it would soon be needed to operate the cognitive function of the as-yet-un-"evolved" eyeball? And what of the nervous system, the receptors in the retinal cortex and the subsequent cicuitry needed to transmit the neurally interpreted image to the brainstem for eventual recognition?
OR... did all of these things just explode onto the evolutionary scene unbidden?
And if so, where is the fossil record of that event?
Second instance, speaking endoskeletally as point "B":
Did an orbital socket evolve first and then wait aound for the organism in question to develop the eye to fill it? And if so, where did the calcified nutrients arrive from to form the skull? How was the new brain made aware that it would soon be needed to operate the cognitive function of the as-yet-un-"evolved" eyeball? And what of the cornea, the lens, the nervous system, the receptors in the retinal cortex and the subsequent cicuitry needed to transmit the neurally interpreted image to the brain for eventual recognition?
OR... did all of these things just explode onto the evolutionary scene unbidden?
And if so, where is the fossil record of that event?
The conundrum to which I explicitly referred in my prior reply expresses unambiguously that each of these systems; Nervous, Respiratory, Circulatory, Skeletal, Musculature; are all interdependent and irreducibly complex.
That means that each is so dependent upon all the others for its existence and function that they could not develop one at a time while waiting around for the others to catch up.
THEREFORE, either they exploded into being in a Mini-Evo-Bang, all at once (and if they did, where is the fossil record?)...,
...or they were Created in a massivley complicated master design by The Creator, which would explain not only how they all came into interdependent being at once AND why there exists no fossil record.
Science also teaches that the most elegant (simple) explanation is often the correct one.
Ah, argument from incredulity
Actually, I cited both incredulity and the fact that such an assumption constitutes an explicit abdication of every principle of known science. Your pseudo-Democrat-like oversimplification does a severe disservice to an otherwise enjoyable intellectual discussion. Please try to avoid the same in the future
Try to keep up. I do like your enthusiasm... it almost makes up for your obtuse and petulant inattentiveness.
;-/
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB301.html
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/eye_time.html
The short summary is that for an eye, there is no question of irreducible complexity. Half an eye is very useful if you pick the right half. The same is true of many of the other body parts or systems you mention. Plenty of examples exist of creatures that have less complexity than humans and survive just fine.
Mr. Felton.......... that was a very good post.
I address all of the many interdependent systems in complex multi-cell organisms, and you choose to reply about the "eye." How thoroughly pointless and evasive... just like all Evo-Junk-Scientists and their Kool-Aid swilling prostheletytes
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I was neither pointless nor evasive. I directly addressed what you wrote most of your previous post about, the eye. The evidence for the evolution of an eye is very clear, since "reduced complexity" versions of each possible step in its evolution still exist in nature today. If you can't even be troubled to understand the "junk science" regarding something as simple as an eye evolving, why should I bother responding to the rest of the systems you asked about?
I'm skeptical of ID, but I really don't like how evolution is being defended in the courts and legislatures. It's becoming a State Non-Church. It may as well be Henry VIII writing the laws of physics.
To modify what you said, so that I would be 100% in agreement:
Unguided evolution as an explaination of life through random origins is as Faith Based as Christianity, more so than ID
Darwin’s great discovery was that it was not unguided. Anyone who thinks evolutionary theory is about random changes does not understand evolution at all.
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