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'Torino' vs. 'Turin': Anglicized name of Olympic city wins argument here
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 02/09/2006 | Ellen Fagg

Posted on 02/10/2006 10:11:00 AM PST by presidio9

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To: presidio9
George Noory (Coast to Coast AM) insists on tongue flapping attempts to pronounce middle eastern names. Ariel Sharon in particular. He never attempts flaps or rolls on normal English words. I don't understand the motivation.
21 posted on 02/10/2006 10:41:56 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: presidio9

Go to South America and buy a map of the US. It'll be labeled "Estados Unidos de Norteamerica." There will be Nueva York, Nueva Jersey, Filadelfia, etc.

So, since translation of placenames is in vogue, why, on US-produced maps, isn't Argentina listed as "Silverland," or its capital as "Good Airs," or Rio de Janeiro, Brazil as "River of January," or Montevideo, Uruguay as "Mountain View," or Santiago, Chile as "St. James," or La Paz, Bolivia as "Peace," etc.

I totally agree with the earlier posts in which Latin proper and place-names are heavily accented by NPR, and not spoken in an anglicized way. But it only applies to Latin America it seems.

No NPR reporter says "Deutschland" instead of Germany. None says Sverje for Sweden, or Norge for Norway.

Listen to NPR reports by Maria Hinajosa or Mandalit del Barco. Their reports are done in standard English until they come to a proper or place name. Then, their accents become so thick that they knock you over. Yet when a reporter named Sean O'Flaherty, for example, reports he doesn't pronounce his name with a lilting Lucky Charms-type brogue (not that NPR would ever hire such a person--because to be hired at NPR, it seems you must be a woman, a non-Christian, or a non-white).

So, what is the common thread: it is NPR's condescension toward the Latins. Evidently the NPR reporters must secretly feel that our Latin brothers are in some way inferior and would suffer if we were to anglicize their proper and place names.


22 posted on 02/10/2006 10:45:56 AM PST by carrier-aviator
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To: dangus
"In American English, when there's an ambiguous accentuation, the noun emphasizes the 2nd syllable while the verb accents the first. If a noun is formed by adding a suffix to such a 2-syllable verb, the middle syllable is usually accented."

I simply cannot top this post...

23 posted on 02/10/2006 10:46:55 AM PST by Sam's Army
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To: carrier-aviator

Just to add one more example: no NPR reporter would ever say "Nippon" when referring to Japan, so it seems this rule extends to Asian names, too.


24 posted on 02/10/2006 10:53:47 AM PST by Denver Ditdat (No Islam, Know Peace.)
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To: Reagan Disciple

Chevelle? maybe from the odd angle on the rear..........


25 posted on 02/10/2006 10:56:38 AM PST by Red Badger (...Never forget, Jimmy Carter can be elected president AGAIN!........)
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To: Myrddin

He's a space alien. That's why he can't speak normally............


26 posted on 02/10/2006 10:59:25 AM PST by Red Badger (...Never forget, Jimmy Carter can be elected president AGAIN!........)
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To: dangus

Maybe because "her-RASS-ment" would get them fired?

Ya know, the femi-nazi's would be all over that! Or hopefully not... at least literally!


27 posted on 02/10/2006 11:00:04 AM PST by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: jaydubya2
> And when did Niger start being pronounced Nigere?

Pronunciation in French, the colonial language and the origin of the name.
28 posted on 02/10/2006 11:02:17 AM PST by ER Doc
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To: presidio9; wardaddy

In the past several years, I've noticed media-types dropping the use of Anglicized names for a variety of places (presumably b/c they wanted to sound smarter than the rest of us).

At some point, Qatar (Kah-tar) became "cutter" or "gutter." Bombay became Mumbai. And, now Turin is Torino. WTH?

The selectiveness with which the media approaches thes pronunciations is very foolish, IMHO. I mean, I don't see anyone rushing to say Deutschland or Espana or Sverige. So why one and not the other? What gives?


29 posted on 02/10/2006 11:03:39 AM PST by bourbon (everything inside screams for second life)
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To: dangus
...the noun emphasizes the 2nd syllable while the verb accents the first.

You meant to say the verb emphasizes the 2nd syllable and the noun the 1st. There are very few people who actually know that rule (if it can be called such), and it can answer a lot of questions.

In the case of "offense," though, the word is properly pronounced with the pronunciation on the 2nd syllable (except in the case of sports). As for "harass" and "harassment," the traditional pronunciation places the accent on the 1st syllables, despite the rule you cited above.

30 posted on 02/10/2006 11:06:54 AM PST by Young Scholar
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I think of the scene in National Lampoon's Vacation:

"You go half a block down the street and you'll see a green Torino with no wheels on it.Inside that Torino is my cousin, Jackie."

"Tell him that you're my boy, and that you're lost. He'll make sure you get where you're going. You don't want to know from me. I'm not from this neighborhood. I'm from the west side of Chicago."

(Do you think these guys know The Commodores?)


31 posted on 02/10/2006 11:07:21 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Young Scholar

How about PO-lice, and DEE-troit? :-)


32 posted on 02/10/2006 11:08:44 AM PST by carrier-aviator
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To: Red Badger
He's a space alien. That's why he can't speak normally............

That may just be an insult to space aliens. There's plenty of illiteracy to go around on this planet.

33 posted on 02/10/2006 11:11:52 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: presidio9

How about "tarmac". Every U. S. news clown who covers a story near or at an airport has to to insert the European term "tarmac" into their report to sound like a world traveler, when what they are referring to at a U. S. facility, or for U. S. news consumers should be called an apron, ramp, taxiway, or runway. We don't install "tarmac" in the U. S.


34 posted on 02/10/2006 11:14:03 AM PST by Big Digger (I)
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To: Young Scholar

>> You meant to say the verb emphasizes the 2nd syllable and the noun the 1st. <<

Yes, of course.

>> In the case of "offense," though, the word is properly pronounced with the pronunciation on the 2nd syllable (except in the case of sports). <<

Yes, that is odd... I'd say when "offense" and "defense" refer to an agent, the first syllable is accentuated, but when they reply to an effect, the second syllable is accentuated.

"The Germans were clearly on the DEfense, but their deFENSEs were inadequate."

The deFENCE rests.

Oh, drat... :^D


35 posted on 02/10/2006 11:14:20 AM PST by dangus
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To: bourbon

How about Kerry and his references to Jen jiss Khan ...

When I was growing up, I learned about gen (rhymes with ben) ghis kahn.

It is pure pretentiousness on the part of liberals. They want to feel they are smarter than us ... so they use the "local" pronunciation and leave the anglicized version so that they may distinguish "us" from "them" in proper society. Rush picked up on this a long time ago ... listen to the way he pronounces the "revarund Jesse Jackson" ... throwing thier preteniousness right back in their face.


36 posted on 02/10/2006 11:17:17 AM PST by RainMan (Over on DU ... they admit that the second coming of Jesus would be a bad thing!)
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To: Red Badger

Darn, tootin'! My dad had a Grand Torino station wagon back in the early '70s.


37 posted on 02/10/2006 11:20:19 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: ER Doc

Preferable to a hard "g".


38 posted on 02/10/2006 11:25:25 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: presidio9

bumpin


39 posted on 02/10/2006 11:27:21 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: presidio9

Just out of curiosity, has anyone EVER heard anyone pronounce potato "po-tah-to"?


40 posted on 02/10/2006 11:28:53 AM PST by IronJack
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