Posted on 02/09/2006 5:36:17 PM PST by Coleus
The Governor's School of North Carolina describes itself as "program for intellectually gifted high school students, integrating academic disciplines, the arts, and unique courses." But one North Carolina couple is suffering some after effects of their son's involvement in the program. Jim and Beverly Burrows say after their son attended a Governor's School seminar called "The New Gay Teenager," he began telling them he was unsure of his "sexual orientation."
The parents believe the seminar was intentionally scheduled as the last optional one before classes ended in order to leave a strong, lasting impression on the students and bypass any parental notification about the seminar.
Jim Burrows says he noticed a big difference in his otherwise normal son upon his return from the school.
"He [said he] was thinking now that he perhaps was gay -- and of course I was floored by this [pronouncement] and was, like, 'where did this come from?' This kind of came out of left field," the dad says. After questioning his son for an extended period, Burrows says he discovered the source. "I found out that this was as a result of this seminar."
According to Burrows, his son was instructed by two openly homosexual staff members of the Governor's School to question his sexuality as well as Bible passages that condemn homosexuality. And the students were also encouraged by instructors to start a Gay Straight Alliance club at their schools, he says.
The North Carolina dad explains that his son's subsequent struggle with homosexuality has turned his family upside down. "As far as our family is concerned, the damage has already been done," he laments. "There's no way that we can go back and undo what has been done."
Still, Mr. Burrows feels he needs to warn other parents of the homosexual indoctrination his son encountered at the Governor's School. "[I]f I can keep one other family from having to go through this, then all this trouble has been worthwhile," he says.
Not that it's exactly what this thread was about, but I don't think we need clubs promoting sex of any kind in public schools.
In our state, the General Assembly has proposed a law so that parents can limit/control which school clubs their children belong to. Perhaps you and other like-minded parents could propose such a law in your state?
As far as I know, there are no clubs promoting sex other than homosexual sex in government schools, and it is GLSEN and their ilk. Of course no club should support sex in government school. No seminar should be allowed that promotes homosexuality.
I read about that proposed law and agree with it.
And stop using "edit" as a weasel-word for "misquote". I quoted you accurately. Let's review:
Speaking as a former teenaged boy, I can confidently say that straight teenaged boys don't question their sexuality. They have a lot of questions, such as the dexterity required to unhook a bra with one hand, but their sexuality isn't one of the things they question. [Emphasis supplied.]Notice that you made your operative statement about "STRAIGHT teenaged boys DON'T QUESTION their sexuality" not once, but twice. Your point is stunningly clear, that ALL TEENAGED BOYS WHO "QUESTION" THEIR SEXUALITY ARE, IN FACT, GAY -- AND ARE THEREFORE FAIR GAME FOR GLSEN AND PEDERASTS TO CLAIM AS "OURS".
I commented on your point, after citing your central argument and shining a limelight on it, fair and square. Q.E.D.
Happy now?
And just to keep my own argument on point -- you argument was a gay argument: "all the kids we can sway, belong to us."
Kid goes to a gay indoctrination camp, comes home "questioning" or "open to experimentation", and poof! -- you've got a new gay teen. That's the whole idea.
Your turn.
Emphasis bump. This point can't be pounded enough.
Fifteen-year-olds are not ready. Sex is an adult activity, and fifteen-year-olds are not yet ready to stand up to life and its demands and burdens as adults. It's hard enough as it is for adults of 21 and 22, who don't yet know enough about office politics, the finer points of tax deductibility, and dealing with contractors.
Nature's agenda is to get every girl pregnant as soon as she's physically able. Nature's agenda doesn't include her survival, much less her happiness. Same for the boys. Their survival and happiness are people business, not Nature's business, and we need to see about it. Early sex isn't part of the picture, when we're talking about preparing young pre-adults for life on their own.
We shouldn't let homosexual sex-recruiters -- and that's about what GLSEN are -- interfere with the educational agenda of all the people, of getting adolescents ready for life.
[You, not answering her question] I think it may be happening in places like New York or California. [Emphasis preserved]
She asked you what you think about GLSEN's role in promoting homosexuality.
[You again] I've never seen it in the school systems where I've lived or taught (which have been primarily rural in the Bible Belt, which might be a partial explanation) but I've seen enough "weird school news" that I don't doubt that it's happening in some places.
Still not responsive to the question about GLSEN's role and moral responsibility.
[You] I don't know that it's very widespread. Do you know whether or not this is happening in the schools in your area, or is it just something someone said on FR?
Now you've asked her a question and are starting to change the subject. Now you question her premise and talk about whether these things are really happening, or are some people on FR (nudge, wink -- you know who they are) just foaming at the mouth?
But you still haven't addressed her question about GLSEN.
[You] In general I'm much more concerned about the sheer number of younger teenagers who are sexually active (whether heterosexually or homosexually), as well as those who are having children at 15, 16, and 17.
As are we all. But you still haven't addressed her question, and you still haven't spoken to GLSEN's role and responsibility in taking on sex-education subjects in the schools and pushing their material.
So far as homosexual sex goes, being lesbian is currently almost a fad among some young girls (especially those who dress in the "gothic" manner), but I don't see anyone getting too concerned about the little girls.
More phenomenology, more observations, and you still haven't made your call on GLSEN.
I noticed that you did have time to slip in a suggestion that "girls are being neglected," an old favorite. (No, they aren't. Boys are being neglected. For one thing, they're being thrown to the wolves whenever GLSEN shows up.)
But you'll answer her question just really soon, right?
I've noticed that most of the male posters here claim that they would not have been persuaded to become homosexual, but they are worried that other people who aren't as "emotionally stable" might be.
"Phobes are actually closet cases" -- another old favorite of HRC seminar posters. But you still haven't answered her question. Although you're certainly starting to answer mine.
I don't know. Maybe people who are that emotionally unstable ought not to reproduce anyhow.
Nice, pat closing line. And you still haven't answered.
Answer the question, Amelia. What is your judgment call on whether GLSEN ought to be doing the things they're doing in the schools?
Sue the school for Sexual Harassment under sexual harassment laws. Sue, sue, sue!
Sounds like his son has alot of growing up to do....mind wise. Good grief, if a siminar can make you doubt what should be a no-brainer, this kid was damaged BEFORE this.
[Your reply] Not that it's exactly what this thread was about, .....
This is what the thread is about:
[quoting article]
According to Burrows, his son was instructed by two openly homosexual staff members of the Governor's School to question his sexuality as well as Bible passages that condemn homosexuality. And the students were also encouraged by instructors to start a Gay Straight Alliance club at their schools, he says.
Maybe not exactly about GLSEN.......but close enough.
Now, what do you think of GLSEN? Should they, and other openly homosexual adults like the two instructors in the quote above, be present in the schools, giving students sex instruction their way?
The money quote in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution story you linked to is this one:
The new bill requires schools to notify parents of student clubs and gives them an "opportunity" to "withhold permission" for their children. It does not specify how parents are expected to notify schools of their views......
Changes in the House bill place the responsibility on parents, rather than schools, which would have had to obtain written permission for each student who joined a club under the initial version.
The Senate bill still places the responsibility on schools.
Under the bill being reported on, in its state House version, then, local school administrators could still enroll kids in Gay-Straight Alliances, and put the onus on the parents find out on their own that their kids were involved in such an activity.
Which, we can see from my previous quote of the thread's topical article, the father of the boy in question was at some pains to extract from his son after a long conversation.
IOW, the change proposed by the House in response to professional educators, represented by their golem quoted elsewhere in the article, is subversive of the parents' desire to keep their children away from the Gay-Straight Alliance organizers.
By the way, since you brought it up, you are affiliated, are you not, with the organization whose spokesman was quoted in the AJC article? That is, Jim Puckett, "executive director of the Georgia Association of Educational Leaders." Who said, quoting the article quoting him,
We're strong advocates of local control....
Local control to us means the ... school employees that are close to those issues should make those decisions....
The article noted that the Georgia Association of Educational Leaders advocates "school employees" make "those decisions" -- such as letting adult homosexuals enter the schools to recruit kids and teach "tolerance", their way. Which, by the way, is Marcusian tolerance -- no toleration for conservatives or Christians -- but that's a topic for another thread.
Are you affiliated with the Georgia Association of Educational Leaders?
Do you support their position on this legislation that you just recommended to Penni?
Where are you on the issue of adult homosexuals being admitted to the schools, as GLSEN representatives, as Governor's School instructors, as youth counselors, or as outside counselors to, or sponsors of, a Gay-Straight Alliance, to give sex-education instruction to students?
Are you affiliated, associated, or involved with GLSEN, with GLAAD, with the HRC, with PFLAG, or with a Gay-Straight Alliance?
I'm not going to go into any personal history; let's just say I know that teenage sex is ruinous on many levels. And for those who claim that teenagers are no better than animals in rut and let 'em go for it, here's this: If you treat them like animals in rut, encourage them to act like animals in rut, and expect them to act so, they will.
The whole concept of "education" and "raising a child" means helping them enter the human race as a civilized member. It doesn't happen on its own.
And for anyone who wants to pipe up with "My grandmother was 14 or 15 when she married my 22 year old grandfather and they were happily married for 60 years" - that's fine. Early marriage is not equivalent to teenagers (or anyone of any age) rutting like beasts in the field.
Do you know anything at all about the causes of homosexuality? Have you clicked any of the numerous links on this thread to inform yourself, read up on what researchers in the field of homosexuality say? Have you read the personal stories of many homosexuals?
No?
I thought not.
Another fact-free opinion that supports the phoney "gays are born that way and can't change".
Amelia refuses to answer your questions, and mine. She skirts around GLSEN as though it exists only in our fevered imagination.
Classic, classic troll behavior.
Lentul - ping me if she answers, please. I'll be on and off today.
(Crickets chirping and all that, but one never knows.)
Look, I never said that homosexuals were born that way. I said this kid, who could be so influenced by a seminar as to doubt his sexuality probably had problems to begin with. As an aside, I couldn't care less about what causes homosexuality so don't you dare go off on me with that crap. Re-read my post!
I don't know what your problem is.
At this moment in time, YOU ARE!
I was too hasty and short with you, and I apologize. It's a topic that carries a lot of weight, a lot of misconceptions abound, and if I was going to reply to you I should have done in it a more thoughtful and respectful manner.
Hand proffered/
Hand taken. My apologize too. *~*
Hand taken.........I apologize too.
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