Posted on 02/09/2006 5:36:17 PM PST by Coleus
The Governor's School of North Carolina describes itself as "program for intellectually gifted high school students, integrating academic disciplines, the arts, and unique courses." But one North Carolina couple is suffering some after effects of their son's involvement in the program. Jim and Beverly Burrows say after their son attended a Governor's School seminar called "The New Gay Teenager," he began telling them he was unsure of his "sexual orientation."
The parents believe the seminar was intentionally scheduled as the last optional one before classes ended in order to leave a strong, lasting impression on the students and bypass any parental notification about the seminar.
Jim Burrows says he noticed a big difference in his otherwise normal son upon his return from the school.
"He [said he] was thinking now that he perhaps was gay -- and of course I was floored by this [pronouncement] and was, like, 'where did this come from?' This kind of came out of left field," the dad says. After questioning his son for an extended period, Burrows says he discovered the source. "I found out that this was as a result of this seminar."
According to Burrows, his son was instructed by two openly homosexual staff members of the Governor's School to question his sexuality as well as Bible passages that condemn homosexuality. And the students were also encouraged by instructors to start a Gay Straight Alliance club at their schools, he says.
The North Carolina dad explains that his son's subsequent struggle with homosexuality has turned his family upside down. "As far as our family is concerned, the damage has already been done," he laments. "There's no way that we can go back and undo what has been done."
Still, Mr. Burrows feels he needs to warn other parents of the homosexual indoctrination his son encountered at the Governor's School. "[I]f I can keep one other family from having to go through this, then all this trouble has been worthwhile," he says.
Sure, but you apparently don't understand what you're reading. Fortunately there's a cure for that. From Satinover's The Gay Gene?:
Isn't homosexuality heritable? Yes, significantly.
So it is inherited? No, it is not.
I'm confused. Isn't there is a "genetic component" to homosexuality? Yes, but "component" is just a loose way of indicating genetic associations and linkages. This will not make sense unless you understand what, and how little, "linkage" and "association" really means.
What about all the evidence that shows that homosexuality "is genetic"? There is not any, and none of the research itself claims there is; only the press and, sadly, certain researchers do-when speaking in sound bites to the public.
Most researchers interpret those results to mean that genetic factors are involved
Researchers understand what, and how little, "linkage" and "association" really means. People who choose to read only one side of the issue will never understand what is meant here.
This means a gay gene doesn't exist. That is, there isn't a gene that causes same-sex attraction nor homosexual behavior. It does means environment is the major factor but you would never know that from reading pro-gay sources. Rather, you would only know that from reading NARTH and similar sites.
SoulMan, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the non-twins in the study were also adopted into the family? If so, that would mean they share no genetic material.
I don't doubt that environmental factors are also involved, but the environmental factors may not all be psycho-social. For instance, it might be found that (as stated in one of the studies) maternal hormone or stress levels during pregnancy, viral infections, nutrition, or other factors play a part in those who are genetically predisposed.
For instance, who gets lung cancer may involve both genetics and behavior: some people smoke all their lives and never develop it, others develop it although they've never smoked, and instances seem to be higher in certain ethnic groups than others, but we know that statistically speaking, smoking (and some other behaviors) increases the likelihood of developing lung cancer.
All aspects of behavior have a physical component. But we are also shaped by our experiences, by learning....More productive, more hopeful, and more positive to focus on the things we can change, which believe me is a lot, plenty of work for this lifetime.
I agree totally.
It is cruel and untrue to tell a sensitive adolescent who is experiencing homosexual feelings that they have no choice, that they are condemned to a "Gay" lifestyle. That may have been what the father in the article was reacting to. It is cruel and also a lie.
There are a couple of points to address here. First, the father's reaction - I can definitely understand the father being upset, on several levels. There are the health problems associated with the homosexual lifestyle, the fact that the son probably won't be continuing the family line if he continues in a homosexual lifestyle, the worry that by pursuing a sinful lifestyle the son's soul would be condemned to hell, worries about discrimination toward his son....I can't see any parent not being upset and concerned.
There's also the fact that many people blame poor parenting, especially on the part of the father, when boys "choose" to become homosexual, and I'd guess the father (at least on some level) wondered what he'd done wrong to cause this. Of course, the good news is, if the seminar is to blame, the father isn't.
The better news, I'd think, might be that if the son was brainwashed in somewhere between 2 hours and 6 weeks into becoming a homosexual, it ought to be an easy matter to deprogram him, don't you think?
So far as being cruel to the child, I don't know. As we've already said, we don't really understand the causes of sexual attraction, and how much is biological, how much is environmental, and how much "choice" is involved.
If the boy had mainly heterosexual feelings before and was only convinced he might be homosexual by this seminar, I'm sure that "deprogramming" him & reassuring him that he is not really gay would be helpful.
If he has always had homosexual feelings but been afraid to admit them before now, I think the situation might be more difficult, and perhaps it would be cruel to try to persuade him that his feelings aren't valid and that he doesn't feel what he thinks he feels.
Pansexuality leads to a world of horror and pedophilia is at its core:
http://theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/22SxSo/PnSx/Pedoph.htm
About NARTH. What is their agenda?
The above link will open a new window to make it easier to copy and paste.
When you don’t rebut junk science the first time around, it begets more junk science.Excellent.
Needs to be said again........
Nice post.
FRegards,
And your CS Lewis tagline is excellent as well!
[These programs aren't 'simple exposure'. They are indoctrination at a time when kids are weak and confused. Just like drug addicts, Homos need and desire to convert new young recruits. Misery loves company and all that. Several tried to 'recruit' me when I was under age and if I let them have their way it would have been child molestation. Is attempted child molestation OK with you???]
[Great duress is applied by teachers and peers alike to be PC and accept homosexual predators as normal. The Gay agenda is cruising at full speed ahead. Most kids wouldn't want to attend such a seminar, but they are coerced into it.]
So you're saying that there is a widespread pattern of homosexual activists in high schools "coercing" teenagers to go to meetings where they are subject to "attempted molestation"?
Exactly. From NARTH:
NARTH's primary goal is to make effective psychological therapy available to all homosexual men and women who seek change. Furthermore, we wish to open for public discussion all issues relating to homosexuality.And from here
When schools offer information on sexual orientation, the facts should be presented in a fair and balanced manner.Further down on the above link:Groups such as the American Psychological Association currently recommend that schools censor all "ex-gay" materials, and prohibit discussion about those who have chosen to change their orientation. Respect for diversity, however, requires teaching about all principled positions. We live in a multi-cultural society where tolerance for differences is essential.
On the Causes of HomosexualityNARTH agrees with the American Psychological Association that "biological, psychological and social factors" shape sexual identity at an early age for most people.
But the difference is one of emphasis. We place more emphasis on the psychological (family, peer and social) influences, while the American Psychological Association emphasizes biological influences--and has shown no interest in (indeed, a hostility toward) investigating those same psychological and social influences.
There is no such thing as a "gay gene" and there is no evidence to support the idea that homosexuality is genetic or unchangeable.
Numerous examples exist of people who have successfully modified their sexual behavior, identity, and arousal or fantasies.
"Is there anyone on FR who admits to being homosexual?
Can one be an admitted homosexual and still be a FReeper, or is it against the rules?"
A few posts ago you boast about your longevity on FR, and now you reveal you know nothing about FR.
Hmmm.
You claim to be "neutral" on the topic of homosexuality but everyone can see what your game is.
Never did. I just think you are either a) ignoring the facts presented or b) are so attached to your own thoughts you dismiss what I say.
I would say that there is a certain predisposition to falling into homosexuality but it is not some unquenchable desire, far from it.
What I'd like to point out for the last time is this: The purpose of the entire course was to promote open mindedness and acceptance, the purpose of the seminar was to challenge the students to question a) there sexuality and b) the Bibles stance on homosexuality. It is completely plausible and highly likely that the curriculum expanded, or possibly created, this kids confusion. How you are able to deny this is amazing to me, but whatever. . . There is no sense in me continuing this with you, you refuse to respond to my posts as a whole, you would rather argue about the way in which I deliver the message, so with that... This is my official last post directly to you, there is no point in stressing my fingertips for someone who refuses to acknowledge what I type. Have a nice valentines day. I'm sure our friendship will be rekindled on some other thread.
Oops, I'm sorry, it was presumptuous of me to say we were ever friends, please don't take offense to my use of "friend"... again.
That's been my contention all along. I just don't see how a single seminar - or even a single summer - could make a boy go from fantasizing about Brittany Spears to dreaming of Brad Pitt instead (or whoever the latest teen fantasies are...)
The most respectful thing we can do as a society is provide full information from ALL points of view so that people can make informed and independent decisions. Young men have died because they were not told of the possibility of healing from and growth out of homosexuality.
You know, part of me thinks that promiscuity of all sorts is what we ought to be targeting here, because that is what spreads disease, and besides it harms children and adults of all sexes emotionally.
If these people at NARTH can actually successfully change people's sexual orientations, however, I surely do wish they'd work on pedophiles first. I think pedophiles, whether homosexual or heterosexual, are a bigger danger to society. YMMV.
One of the things I love about FR is that the person you disagree with vehemently on one thread may be your best ally on another. :-)
I understand that, and I am not sure it would be possible to force anyone to change, any more than it's possible to make anyone lose weight, stop drinking, or give up drugs unless they are motivated to make the change.
Your point about pedophiles makes more sense than you realize. While pedophelia is of course a whole different animal than consensual adult homosexuality...
I don't think it's all that different. They are all attracted to "inappropriate" people. If they ever find out the causes of these things, I wonder if they'll find similar causes?
I've seen stories before of pedophiles asking to remain incarcerated or be castrated, etc., because they knew what they were doing was wrong, but they knew that if given the chance they'd do it again. Treatment for people like that would be a blessing, I think.
AIDS of course is a great tragedy, especially if you've known someone who had it or watched someone die of it. While it began as mostly a homosexual disease here, in Africa it seems to be more of a heterosexual disease and I've heard that it's also spreading more heterosexually here. Promiscuity.
Pedophiles are indeed a growing problem as we've seen lately with the Dateline report: To Catch a Predator III. Perhaps NARTH will someday expand their horizons but today, we have a huge problem with homosexuality, including severe and deadly health hazards for those who engage in homosexuality.
NARTH believes help should be offered to homosexuals who seek it. The APA disagrees for reasons of political correctness and no other reason. Even Simon LeVay said:
Gay activism was clearly the force that propelled the APA to declassify homosexuality.Source: Simon LeVay, Queer Science, MIT Press, 1996, p. 224
LeVay is a homosexual, a scientist and an activist, and he's appears more honest than his peers.
They can and do.
GLSEN (in schools) encourages homosexuality. Read this: GLSEN Encourages Teens In Anal SEX "Don't give up.". Here's part of what they say:
"Everyone's really gay or bisexual." and "You won't know if you like it until you try it."They're even pushing homosexuality in kindergarten: TARGETING CHILDREN Part two: How the homosexual movement uses public schools as instruments of change:
GLSEN activist and New York kindergarten teacher Jaki Williams said starting in kindergarten is a must, since children at that age are still developing their ideas about the world around them. Even at that age, she said, is “the saturation process needs to begin.”And more here: Teaching Kindergarten Kids About 'Human Differences' and Homosexuality Isn't 'Easy' in Newton.
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