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With the threat of Islamic terrorism lurking, Europe and the West are grappling with questions such as how to set the limits of freedom, and what cultural values immigrants must adopt as the price of admission.

They still don't get it. Immigrants do not assimilate. They isolate. And by trying to placate them, hoping for a pass on violence, it doesn't work.

That's what Rush said on the Fox interview w/Cavuto.

1 posted on 02/09/2006 12:45:02 PM PST by LouAvul
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2 posted on 02/09/2006 12:47:18 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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Cartoon Fury Hardens East-West Lines

Like the muslims have ever been "soft"

Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal.

Yemen - Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.

Kuwait - Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organized religious education for religions other than Islam.

Egypt - Islam is the official state religion and primary source of legislation. Accordingly, religious practices that conflict with Islamic law are prohibited. Muslims may face legal problems if they convert to another faith. Requires non-Muslims to obtain what is now a presidential decree to build a place of worship.

Algeria - The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution.

Jordan - Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.

Sudan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.

Pakistan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims. Christians regularly put in prison for charges of blasphemy.

3 posted on 02/09/2006 12:48:24 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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I think it's clear from the NY POST article by A. Taheri (see: http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/61596.htm )That this whole thing was concocted by Iran. Denmark will soon be the country overseeing the UN agenda. The objective is to undermine their position.

Furthermore, these bast***ds added additional cartoons that were not part of the DAnish News that were more incendiary. The Cartoons came out in September but the protest was held off until it could be well organized and orchestrated. The Western media also is playing into their hands by reporting that the protests are large when they are very small actually.
4 posted on 02/09/2006 12:51:19 PM PST by nikos1121
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So, maybe Christians should take a clue from the Muslims:

Next time a disgusting image of a Christian icon is printed in a newspaper, or shown in a museum, Christians should riot, destroy the institutions responsible.

Then, will the leftists say we should be more understanding of Christians, should not print things that can incite violence?

6 posted on 02/09/2006 12:56:59 PM PST by technomage (NEVER underestimate the depths to which liberals will stoop for power.)
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"It is very difficult for a liberal democracy to deal with those that want to completely undermine the fabric on which liberal democracy is built," said Richard Whitman, an analyst at Chatham House, a London think tank. "This is an absolutely new challenge for liberal democracies."

This guy is an idiot.

Hey Dick, ya ever hear about Nazism or Communism?

7 posted on 02/09/2006 1:01:53 PM PST by bikepacker67 (Islam was born of Hagar the whore.)
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You make an excellent point in your comments. Immigrants quit being assimilated when politicians started losing their spines. Further, they do isolate rather than integrate.


8 posted on 02/09/2006 1:02:15 PM PST by lilylangtree
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one word--deportation

ok, 2 words ----- or execution


9 posted on 02/09/2006 1:02:27 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (I'm becoming a performance artist so i can crap on the koran in public)
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They still don't get it. Immigrants do not assimilate. They isolate. And by trying to placate them, hoping for a pass on violence, it doesn't work.

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Perhaps you meant to say "THESE immigrants do not assimilate..". Most immigrants go to great lengths to assimilate, because that's the path to success. Muslims do not intend to assimilate, they intend to destroy the culture they invade by whatever means necessary. The rules change for Muslims, depending on whether they are dealing with a fellow Muslim or with an infidel. A good Muslim can lie, cheat, steal, rape, pillage, plunder, murder, or do anything else that's commonly considered "immoral" from the Western (i.e. Judeo-Christian) world view, as long as the victims are not Muslim.

European Muslims do not intend to assimilate. They'll convert and dominate Europe peacefully at first, and violently when they feel they are strong enough. Right now, bin Laden has led them to overconfidence - they are overplaying their hand. But this is the natural pattern to Islam. It's what the medieval crusades were about (absent historical revisionism). Islam has always been militant, and Islam intends to dominate by guile or force, but it will not allow "agnosticism".

Islam is a historical lie, a fake. Islam is a religion of hate. Its god Allah is a unmerciful god of retribution. Islam requires everyone to submit to this ... crap. I do not hate Muslims, but neither will I ever trust them.

Muslims: Go to hell. I will NOT submit!

SFS

13 posted on 02/09/2006 1:10:23 PM PST by Steel and Fire and Stone
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"It is very difficult for a liberal democracy to deal with those that want to completely undermine the fabric on which liberal democracy is built," said Richard Whitman, an analyst at Chatham House, a London think tank. "This is an absolutely new challenge for liberal democracies."

Hello. This has happened before...and it wasn't outsiders. Anybody remember the NAZI's? Or the Communist coup in Russia back in 1917?

It is apparently only news to the 'liberals' in the liberal democracies.

The liberals (and sorry to say this includes GWB) democracies do NOT automatically self-insure their own preservation.

15 posted on 02/09/2006 1:30:21 PM PST by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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"It is very difficult for a liberal democracy to deal with those that want to completely undermine the fabric on which liberal democracy is built,"

No, it really is not difficult at all. It is only difficult for pansies without any spine, trying as hard as possible to avoid taking a stand on anything. But there is no connection whatever between being a pansy and liberal democracy.

"This is an absolutely new challenge for liberal democracies."

Not remotely. Every liberal democracy on earth was founded against direct opposition, usually willing to use force. It would not exist if it hadn't already, long since, faced and annhiliated this imaginary problem. The only thing new in the piece is the determined pansy-pacifism of a post-60s generation of socialist indocrinated radicals, who were deliberately encouraged to find nothing defensible about liberal democracy, precisely to further its violent overthrow. The enemy benefitting from their idiocy has changed slightly, that is all.

When people do not support freedom you take their freedom away and put them behind bars. If they resist you shoot them. If they resist in organized fashion using entire countries and militaries, then you bomb those countries into rubble and kill every man that takes arms against you. Been there, done that, already conquered. Far tougher versions of it than this pathetic crew.

The author writes as though the Waffen SS hasn't already been blasted to atoms - worse, as though he has never heard of them. Just completely ignorant, self absorbed nonsense.

17 posted on 02/09/2006 1:41:29 PM PST by JasonC
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Some advise looking to the past for guidance.

Mansur Escudero, head of the Islamic Commission of Spain, noted that major religions lived in relative harmony during the 700 years Muslims ruled Spain.

See its so simple, no need for all this trouble, submit to Islam and you will be allowed to live in relative harmony.

18 posted on 02/09/2006 1:48:12 PM PST by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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Cartoon Fury Hardens East-West Lines

Nice journalistic Title work.
Can't come out and just say it:
"Cartoon Fury Exposes Islamics As Enemies Within The Gates"
19 posted on 02/09/2006 1:51:32 PM PST by VOA
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"The messages we are receiving from Europe these days are really ugly," said Mustafa Ceric, head of the Islamic community in Bosnia. "Europe needs to cure itself from this disease — Islamophobia."

Cha! Ya' THINK? Ugly messages, eh? Ya' think the cure is for the Muslims to burn embassies and espouse violence against those who don't take their religion seriously?

Let me tell you something, Mustafa. If I were President of the United States, I would have immediately cut off diplomatic relations and foreign aid to any nation that allowed these demonstrations to continue. I'd have announced my intention to stand by the defenders of freedom and 21st century values. I'd have told Araby that if they want to live in an isolated island of the 7th century, they were welcome to. We won't ship our newspapers to them, we won't broadcast our television to them, we won't let their people visit our heathen nations, and we won't buy their oil.

To those Islamic nations that are not hosting this violence, I would be the best friend they ever had. I'd tell nations like Syria and "Palestine" that they have two choices. Join the 21st century or do without its money and friendship.

How would you like that message, Mustafa?

Shalom.

20 posted on 02/09/2006 1:58:34 PM PST by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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The period of "relative peace" where there were Moslems, Christians and Jews in Spain is also called "The Reconquista"!

For the most part you could count on warfare somewhere in Spain for about 7 centuries.

Finally, the Franco-Hispanic knights got the upper hand and everybody was given a choice of becoming Christian or going away. Most of the Jews chose to convert, as did most of the Moslems.

Spain went on to other sorts of problems.

22 posted on 02/09/2006 2:32:55 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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Mansur Escudero, head of the Islamic Commission of Spain, noted that major religions lived in relative harmony

"during the 700 years Muslims ruled Spain."

Hey Dipstick, that's because everyone else was a Dhimmi or dead!


23 posted on 02/09/2006 2:32:59 PM PST by motorola7
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Mansur Escudero, head of the Islamic Commission of Spain, noted that major religions lived in relative harmony during the 700 years Muslims ruled Spain.

I guess that is why the Muslims were thrown out of Spain after years of bloody battles. And, why Christians were less than second-class citizens of Spain while under Muslim rule.

35 posted on 02/09/2006 3:02:10 PM PST by Parmy
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From the article:
"The messages we are receiving from Europe these days are really ugly," said Mustafa Ceric, head of the Islamic community in Bosnia.

Message to Mustafa: you ain't seen nuthin' yet.

What looms before us is the greatest conflict the world has ever faced - the Armageddon. It will be a bloodbath that makes the Holocaust pale by comparison.

As of yet, it remains unclear which side will win. The West has the power, but not the will. Islam has the will, but not the power; but that may change soon (message to Dubya: get goin' on Iran!).

Only one side can prevail. The other must be, WILL BE, vanquished - totally. We will see either the end of Islam, or the end of The West.

I know which side _I_ want to win. I'm I'm prepared to face the grim tasks necessary to achieve this end.

- John

36 posted on 02/09/2006 3:11:41 PM PST by Fishrrman
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37 posted on 02/09/2006 3:14:27 PM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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