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Cartoon Fury Hardens East-West Lines
yahoo ^ | 2-9-06

Posted on 02/09/2006 12:45:00 PM PST by LouAvul

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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
The old Christian crusading orders should be reformed with the purpose of defending the faith from radical Islam. Whether overtly or covertly these orders would be a good check for the underground Islamic terrorists that exist in the West.
21 posted on 02/09/2006 2:30:18 PM PST by Bombard
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To: LouAvul
The period of "relative peace" where there were Moslems, Christians and Jews in Spain is also called "The Reconquista"!

For the most part you could count on warfare somewhere in Spain for about 7 centuries.

Finally, the Franco-Hispanic knights got the upper hand and everybody was given a choice of becoming Christian or going away. Most of the Jews chose to convert, as did most of the Moslems.

Spain went on to other sorts of problems.

22 posted on 02/09/2006 2:32:55 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: LouAvul

Mansur Escudero, head of the Islamic Commission of Spain, noted that major religions lived in relative harmony

"during the 700 years Muslims ruled Spain."

Hey Dipstick, that's because everyone else was a Dhimmi or dead!


23 posted on 02/09/2006 2:32:59 PM PST by motorola7
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone
I appreciate your response SFS but my post was probably more of a sarcastic dig at the leftists, particularly in the antique old media. You know, their double standards:

"Let's not offend the Muslims but the Christians? Screw them!"

24 posted on 02/09/2006 2:33:34 PM PST by technomage (NEVER underestimate the depths to which liberals will stoop for power.)
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To: lilylangtree
Regarding "immigrant isolation" I'm thinking of Minnesota and Washington state.

Scanderhoovians all over the place with just pockets of "regular Americans".

25 posted on 02/09/2006 2:34:07 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: TheClintons-STILLAnti-American

Every baby born in Malaysia is not considered Moslem.


26 posted on 02/09/2006 2:34:51 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
"Every baby born in Malaysia is not considered Moslem."

There was a recent report of a young woman born there who wanted to convert to Christianity and was prevented from doing so by the government.

The same report explained that every baby born there is considered Muslim.

27 posted on 02/09/2006 2:38:32 PM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (Keep the adults in charge of Congress.)
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To: bikepacker67

"This guy is an idiot.

Hey Dick, ya ever hear about Nazism or Communism?"

No he's not he has a point. This is the first time the assault is comming from a religion. It is a blind spot for us in the West because of our tradition of seperation of Church and state. Most still can't wrap their heads around the fact that Islam is as much a political system as a religion.


28 posted on 02/09/2006 2:38:55 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
So, the report is wrong. Remember, Malaysia is a multi-ethnic, multi-lingual country. There's a decent sized Chinese and Indian minority (who own everything but the oil) and they adhere to a wide variety of religions.

When it comes to people whose parents were Moslem, it's probably true they were considered Moslem from brith.

29 posted on 02/09/2006 2:41:13 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: technomage

"Then, will the leftists say we should be more understanding of Christians, should not print things that can incite violence?"

No, because the fools on the left will always seek the destruction of Christianity.

The ACLU and NYT will always apply double standards. Their goal is the systematic removal of Christianity, while pushing the madness of Communism and fascism of Islam onto the average American.


30 posted on 02/09/2006 2:47:10 PM PST by Emmet Fitzhume ("Without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure." President Reagan)
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To: muawiyah
"So, the report is wrong. "

I'll go with the report for now---it offered supporting information, which is more than your dogmatic statements do.

31 posted on 02/09/2006 2:47:57 PM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (Keep the adults in charge of Congress.)
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To: muawiyah; motorola7

The time of "las tres culturas" that they talk about was under Alfonso X, a learned Christian king, in a reconquered part of Spain.

In Islamic parts of Spain, things were very uneven. Some of the Muslims softened up after contact with Christian and Jewish cultures, but they themselves were then conquered by more "orthodox" Muslim tribes from North Africa and other parts of the ME. But in general, things were bad for Jews (even Maimonedes converted to Islam briefly) and worse for Christians.


32 posted on 02/09/2006 2:52:52 PM PST by livius
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To: TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
Look, I'm just reporting to you what I know from people who were born and raised in the country. If you want to take the word of a television "talking head" over a primary witness, go ahead.

There have been efforts (successful to a degree) to make Sharia Law paramount in Maylaysia. However, that does not necessarily make Sharia Law applicable to non-Moslems there, or anywhere else.

33 posted on 02/09/2006 2:53:29 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: livius

The Christians won ~ was that bad for them to have done that?


34 posted on 02/09/2006 2:54:44 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: LouAvul
Mansur Escudero, head of the Islamic Commission of Spain, noted that major religions lived in relative harmony during the 700 years Muslims ruled Spain.

I guess that is why the Muslims were thrown out of Spain after years of bloody battles. And, why Christians were less than second-class citizens of Spain while under Muslim rule.

35 posted on 02/09/2006 3:02:10 PM PST by Parmy
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To: LouAvul
From the article:
"The messages we are receiving from Europe these days are really ugly," said Mustafa Ceric, head of the Islamic community in Bosnia.

Message to Mustafa: you ain't seen nuthin' yet.

What looms before us is the greatest conflict the world has ever faced - the Armageddon. It will be a bloodbath that makes the Holocaust pale by comparison.

As of yet, it remains unclear which side will win. The West has the power, but not the will. Islam has the will, but not the power; but that may change soon (message to Dubya: get goin' on Iran!).

Only one side can prevail. The other must be, WILL BE, vanquished - totally. We will see either the end of Islam, or the end of The West.

I know which side _I_ want to win. I'm I'm prepared to face the grim tasks necessary to achieve this end.

- John

36 posted on 02/09/2006 3:11:41 PM PST by Fishrrman
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37 posted on 02/09/2006 3:14:27 PM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: muawiyah

No, my point was that the time of harmony was under a Christian king. Under the Muslims, it was subjugation, sometimes less harsh and sometimes more harsh.


38 posted on 02/09/2006 3:17:52 PM PST by livius
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To: Parmy

Muslims are all the rage in Spain now under Zapatero. Well, with the left. The rest of the population is less entranced.


39 posted on 02/09/2006 3:19:17 PM PST by livius
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