Posted on 02/09/2006 8:10:43 AM PST by NYer
In order to continue in that sort of behavior, don't you think one would have to go to great lengths to rationalize it? That's true regarding ANY bad behavior.
Wow! What a powerful essay! God bless this man and his journey in faith.
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I uised to closely follow the arguments for the ordination of women to the priesthood in the Catholic Church. Like with the gays, there are a lot of bright, verbally agile advocates out there: there was a lot of fancy Biblical exegesis, and a lot of historical digging, reassembling, reassessing, reconfiguring.
Then one day, I heard a feminist nun give a supposedly Scriptural pro-women-priesthood talk. Another nun, sitting next to me in the audience, grinned and whispered to me, "That's what I love about Sr. Virginia Ann. She makes it all sound so plausible.
A little shock went through me when I realized that she herself didn't think it was true, and didn't even care whether it was true: it was enough, for her, that it was "plausible."
I think that it all goes back to an epistomological assumption, that there IS no Good or Evil, Right or Wrong, True or False: all there is is a struggle for power.
This is a powerful essay!
No idea. I don't ask, he doesn't offer. I get the impression, though, that since my boss is 50 and his partner 60, they aren't out in the bars much and are pretty much happy homebodies at this point. Mostly I hear what Netflix DVD they watched that night.
When did the genome project determine that nobody is born that way? I am sure it is BOTH and more than likely for those that it is a choice they are the most vocal.
To me, the cause of the predisposition does not matter. Acting on those desires violates just about any norm you can think of. We all have desires, however, being intelligent humans we do not act on the ones that society frowns upon.
I, for one, would like to exterminate a certain group of excrement claiming to have a religion that is offended by everything. I have not acted on that burning desire. Why can't the butt pirates keep it in their pants?
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Quite the reverse...what's called homophobia is now considered to be a mental illness.
Of course, he speaks from many years of experience. Is your cynicism as well founded?
Because rump rangers are not responsible for their own behavior and we need to give them entitlements.
The part I don't agree with is your idea that it's a sin for even a husband and wife to have sex if they're not trying to make a baby.
This is not, and never has been the teaching of the Catholic Church (though there were douibtless some Jansenistic Irish priests and nuns who said so.) At the very least, marital intercourse was always seen as a "remedy for concupiscence" ("It is better to marry than to burn" --- St. Paul) and as an act expressing the unitive (bonding and belonging) meaning of marriage.
Pope John Paul II went a lot farther than that in discussing the mutual self-giving of marital sexuality as an image of Divine love --- whether or not the couple are physically capable of pregnancy.
And I think Pope John Paul was right. There's a depth of meaning there, for those who are spiritually able to discern it.
Sure. The question is whether it's necessary to explain a place like Lobo's as the result of a conscious conspiracy, as Mr. Lee's article depicts it to be.
Delusion is enough to explain the place -- there's no need to assume it's actually a front organization for a larger conspiracy.
No, I just don't fool so easily. ;-)
And this guy is absolutely correct when he talks about the homosexual activists can count on the support of anyone who prefers to be outside of Judeo-Christian sexual morality.
If the Church can be forced to sanction homosexual couplings, how could it ever condemn fornication or even adultery?
The rest of us need to change that.
It was modified wrongly, and it can be corrected.
I, too, believe and quite completely that homosexuality is a mental illness and a spiritual evil. And that it requires that the rest of us respond with helps to reduce and solve the problems, not efforts to enable and "encourage the disease" so to speak.
This man's testimony is remarkably sane. Quite a tortured route he has had, but he is, thanks be to God, over that now.
First, I'd say that my take on the matter is well-founded, based on numerous discussions I've had. I'm not a homosexual, so I cannot claim to have looked at it from anything other than a heterosexual perspective; nevertheless (or perhaps precisely because of that) everything I've seen points to delusion and rationalization as the driving factor.
None of this is to deny the existence of a homosexual agenda -- it's quite obviously there.
Where I take issue with this article is in Mr. Lee's claim that places like Lobo's are actually "fronts" for an active conspiracy. That's just plain silly, and also unnecessary. Delusion and rationalization are sufficient to explain it.
This was a very long piece and it never really strayed from its central theme that sex itself, the act, the chase, the culmination, the "afterglow", were the driving forces for the author and all those he personally encountered along his way.
Now, when he seems to feel that his journey has reached a point at which he may at least rest, he sets off again, this time in print, chaste and chastened but still fervid in his opinion that there must be passion to fuel his trip to make it worthwhile.
So, in his newfound passion to mend old fences and build new bridges, he careers back along his wrecked path, righteous and indignant at the same time, flinging the bits and scraps of his past behind him in the vain hope the road itself can be set right and made ready for the next traveler with a firmer foot.
The trouble is, the passion consumes him; there is no place for him to rest, one day he will simply stop searching, for his own feet will carry him no further.
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